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Tomorrow I am picking up an inline at Cabelas-which do you suggest?

I was set on an Omega-but after reading the thread on getting them zeroed-I am a bit concerned on dropping $400 on a bp that can't group

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Also for those Omega shooters-what powerbelts and powder charges are you using?

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Ain't nothing wrong with an Omega...Bore is a little tight, but they shoot just fine.
I've sighted in several, with MMP-24 sabots and a 250 SST over 100grs of Pyrodex R-S...No problems.

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The secret to T/C tight boreswith Omegasis their outstanding accuracy. Please copy & paste the posts that say Omegas don't group very well.

I have a strange feeling you will be searching for more than one or twofor a long time. You may have to scroll past a 100 very good reportsbefore finding one or two subpar reports.

Buy whatever you like..... just hate to see a new ML purchaser regret his purchase afterwards. Do your homework real well -- then buy!

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There is no telling what projectile the rifle you choose will like, no matter what rifle you decide on, and what others experiences have been with their rifles. Also I am not all that convinced on the break open design rifles as others. Perhaps if I owned one of that style,I might have a different opinion. There are a lot of excellent bolt rifles and other striker rifles out there.

Good luck in your selection.

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desertloper, sorry, I can't give you any direct help.

If I were you I would give Cayugad a PM or email to ask his advice. He hasn't been posting much here lately, but he is one of the guys I would want to talk to if I were in your shoes.

Best of luck andlet us know what you end up with.

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Guess we were typing at the same time.

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I have got to vote on the side of the Omega. I sighted mine in in about 45 mins with two pellets of T7 and 250 Gr Shockwaves. I couldn't believe how easy it was to get consistency on paper with it. It holds 2 inch groups of three shots at 100 yards. Also in the Omega's favor isthe lifetime warrenty you get with all TC firearms, for me that was a big factor in choosing the Omega.(I had actually gone to get an Encore but liked the feel of the Omega better)

Also I got the Stainless barrel and it is very easy to get clean.

I am now trying some new twists with it. Shooting three pellets of T7 with a 50 Cal Sabot and 40 Cal 200 gr bullet to see how well she will reach out to 200 yards without any holdover/under. It should be dead on at 36 yards, 2.75 high at 100 yards, dead on again at 163 yards and 3 inches low at 200 yards.

If it holds its consistency I will probably use it with this set up for Deer season, if not I am going to switch back to the original load I tried. Or may experiment with 3 pellets and a 250 Gr Shockwave.

The fun is just getting out to shoot!

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Cascadedad

Asking the thread-starter for Cayugad's advice on a gun the thread-starter has suddenly lost interest in ....plus advise on a gunthat Cayugad doesn't own is very interesting. You continually make me scratch my head once in a while.

I'm still waiting for a reply on the "What's Wong With The Omega" concerns this thread-starter has. Once he explains his troubles that may contain no troubleshooting remedies from other posters here, then we can move forward on another gun model purchase for him -- then Cayugad can give him all the proper advise.

But for right now, I'm puzzled by his Omega displeasure remarks & hopefully he returns here for another visit.

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Here is the link to the thread I was referring to http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1632794

Like I posted before-Omegas look good-I like their feel-but this thread of gus sending in their rifles, not getting good groups bothered me-I am sure that part of the problem with some of them was shooting skill-but nevertheless it made me wonder

I am 100% new to the world of BP-I am just wanting to get another season to chase bucks

I have been reading and talking to as many people as possible abouthte best inline to get i.e accuracy, ease of use, cleaning, model specs of the rifles themselves.

Along the same note I have seen that the powerbelts are the way to go-no plastic sabot melting in the rifling-bullet weights are still in the air to me looks lke 250 is all the higher I would use for deer-and as for powder charges-its pretty much play around with combos of pellets until you get consistent groups...am I on the right track?

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The Omega is a sabot/bullet gun. It will sometimes shoot conicals but that is not what it was designed for. The guys that are having all the trouble are trying to shoot mostly conicals. I don't think you will find many sabot/bullet shooters that have much trouble getting decent groups. I have shot three 300gr. bullets in Harvester sabots with my five power scopeinto 7/8inch at 100 yards. Not all the time but when everything clicks it is possible. The barrel is tight and finding bullet/sabot combinations that work is the biggest problem not accuracy.

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I agree...unless you live in a state that requires you to use conicals, you don't need to buy a gun with a 1/28 twist designed to shoot sabots...I don't know where you live, but most eastern states allow the use of saboted bullets...And a 240-300 gr saboted bullet over 80-120 grains of powder is plenty for any deer....

I read that post and the guy had to use conicals because of his state regulations...Are you deer hunting??? Do you plan to load with conicals or sabots??

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There is no "PERFECT" muzzleloader. The Omega does have a fairly tight barrel but they shoot very well. Most all Omega owners have good results with Shockwaves, myself included. They are easy to clean and very weather resistant. The best load I have found for mine is 120grs of 777 and a 250 gr Barnes TMZ. Omegas are also MADE IN THE USA to USA standards.

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Your statement makes no sense. Did you intend to say, "The secret to the Omega's oustanding acuracy is the T/C tight bore."? If not, I don't understand. If so, how do you explain the White System's excellent accuracy with a slip fit bullet? The range rod weight is enough to seat a conical. I have tried .5040 and .5045 diameter conicals in 300 gr up to 620 grains. They all shoot excellent and powder charge does not matter. I and others shoot anywhere from 70 to 120 gr of powder. I personally have shot without a wad, with a wad and with cornmeal. Not muchof a difference. Sabots also shoot excellent. They take a little more pressure to seat, but are definitely not tight.

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Jeez, this is getting old, but I will try to make it simple for you.

I did not ask the thread-starter for Cayugad's advise, I suggested that the thread-starter ask Cayugad for advise. There is a difference.

Second, I don't think the thread-starter stated he had "suddently lost interest" in the Omega, but maybe having second thoughts. There is a difference there also.

Third, the original post said he was going to buy an inline at Cabelas and asked for suggestions. I don't know all the MLers that Cayugad has, but I know he hasmany and he shoots them a lot. He was instrumental in the decision I made a few months ago and I am very greatful for his advise. That is why I made the suggestion to seek Cayugad's advise.

Your quote, "You continually make me scratch my head once in a while."Hmmmm, all I have to say in response is, "You continually amaze me with your logic...........sometimes.":)

Desertloper, if I in any way misinterpreted your question I sincerely apologize.

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All I got to say I don't know anyone who has and Omega and dosen't like it. I have one and its the best muzzle loader I have ever owned. In Mass for smome wstupid reaso we can't have a breech opening gun. I really think anyone you talk to who is not happy with there muzzlelaoders shooting ability eather dosen't know how to get the right load for there gun or they aren't trying very hard.

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To be honest with you all I did not need the Omega I bought but I did buy it anyways even though it had a plastic stock and I am very happy I did and it was the best $109 I ever spent on a gun.

Being a Z5 it had in my opinion sub-par sights for a T/C so I took the sights off my Encore which has a fine scope and put them on the Z5.

I have only shot it twice but the last time out my son and I were doing sub 2" at the 50yd range. This with 110g of T7 FF and Shockwave bullets. They loaded fine and trigger was good as well. I have not touched the trigger yet but the factory pull was very hunter friendly.

I have a bunch of muzzleloaders and it will be dragged around as a back up only because I have even better rifles to shoot:D

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After my experience with my last Omega and the failure of TC's customer service to help, I will never buy another. Several calls not returned, none of the issues I outlined in detail were addressed when the gun was sent for evaluation, and it was packed so poorly for return shipment, it ended up with several severe scratches.

The dia of the bore was inconsistent - tight, loose, tight to bp.
Finally found the only load that would provide the semblance of a group - Pyrodex pellets with the special 3 petal sabots/ 250 SW. I have no use for pellets - sold it to someone fully aware of its limitations. I feel lucky to have only lost $400.

So not everyone loves the Omega.

Steve

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Well unless you were a total jerk when you called T/C I don't believe your experience.

I have had nothing but good luck with their customer service and so has almost every member of this board. Please go into detail what happened to you.

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Do a search andcheck my posts on this before you call me a liar. They detail what Itried before sending the gun.
When I first contacted them, they had me send in the gun with a letter of my concerns.
I included a detailed list including that I had no interest in shooting pellets.
Gun returned with a note "cleaned gun (perfectly detailed before I sent it) - 2 50 gr pellets, 250 SW, 1 inch group."
NO MENTION of anything in my letter and now with several nice scratches.
Called to tell them I was dissatisfied - said to send it again.
I asked to talk to a supervisor before I did this.
Transferred to voice-mail - no return call.
2 more messages left - no call back.
Others may love their service - in my case it sucked, and I will continue to tell the story whether or not you believe it.

Steve

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That's a bad thing glad it never happened to me. They have always taken care of my problems.

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I always new it was the goal of T/C repair to add scratches to guns thank you for confirming that. (you bastards)

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Like I said... the same one or two poster complaints we've been reading about- outof 100 with no complaints.

There are no perfect MLs or service departments. But I sincerely feel there's a greater chance you will get that Omega out-of-the-box with no problems -- greater chance you'll get itserviced properly from T/C if/when it ever needs it-- than all the rest of the ML manufacturers - including my runner-up choice (Knight).

Just my opinion.

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I vote no on the Omega, I could not wait to get rid of mine. I have never been so frustrated with a ML in my life. I broke two ramrods trying to get a second shot into my rifle. I will admit that it shot extremely well, but it was strictly a one shot rifle,then needed a total cleaning for a second shot. Practicing with it was totally out of the question. I sent back two Encores for bad accuracy, never had a problem with TC customer service, just their guns. I own and have owned about ten TC's over the years. All my other TC's were exceptional firearms, Tom. TC told me what load I had to shoot in their encore for it to shoot accurately, When I pay that much money for an ML, it should shot whatever I want it to. Buy a Knight, I have owned several, and never the first problem, Tony makes a good one.

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My Omega was the same relative to not being able to load a second shot. Then I found that the sabots that came with the rifle were incorrect for the gun. When I finally got the correct sabots and bullets and switched from the crud ring forming Tripple Seven to Black Mag'3 the rifle became a sweetheart.

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Asking a Chevy dealer (T/C)to fix a Ford engine (Powerbelt)that you put in that Chevy will always warrant being denied. The CVA folks own Powerbelts.... which incidently is T/C's closest competitor with Mls .... T/C's closest competitor in the highly profitable ML bullet-manufacturing/packaging business.

There's no way any gun tech or white collar honchoat T/C - who will offer to help anyone shoot/dial-in a rival Powerbelt.There's noCVA tech that'll help you shoot a Knight bullet (or) a Traditions Rifle tech that'll help you withyour accuracy woes shooting a White RiflesPowerpunch conical.

I've said my piece here. I'm done talking to my dead horse.

On-to the next thread.

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Well here's my two cents worth . In my Omega 209x50 2x50gr. and 1 30gr. Pyrodex pellets and the 223 aro tip powerbelt give me a 1" group at 100 yds. and that will hold for up to 15 shoots without cleaning . I also shoot 250gr Shockwave and 110 gr. ff 777 will also give me a 1" group at 100 yds. but I use the powerbelt load as a quick backup shoot .
chaz3815

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Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve. but I have to agree with Pittsberghunter about the service Dept. I have had nothing but good luck with them. And belive me when I tell you I do a lot of business with them. I am to the point where I will not buy any other black powder gun unless it is a TC, I'm that happy with them

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I've got a solution.....Forget abut the Omega and buy a CVA Optima, I heard it's a great bang for the buck;)

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Mike - I am glad it works for you and others. I really can't understand why I had such problems.
I was never rude in my contact with them - I know better since I work in sales/customer service.
Put a lot of time and money in trying to get it right and am/was extremely frustrated it didn't.
Good news is, since I needed a gun to hunt with last year, I bought a White S91 - now have 4 others. Shoot any powder and about any lead/sabot.
NO customer service, but don't need it!

Steve

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To MLKeith: I agree with you about the sabots. The problem is I tried the Black, Orange, an Green, along with other projectiles, same problem. I could not get the second shot in. I shot Triple 7 and BP. I will admit I did not try Pyrodex. I had a real dilema, the rifle would shoot at or under 2 inches at 200 yards(obviously not the problem), but loading the next shot was unreliable. My friends sure laughed at me when I had to carry all my cleaning equipment in the field, just to load a second shot. I went back to shooting a Knight, same accuracy, easy loading, less money, now all I need to carry is a disk. But that is another story. Tom.

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I went through all the same cycles to try to get a second shot off. First I tried Tripple Seven. Crud ring was so bad I stuck the second bullet/sabot about two inches off the powder charge. When I finally pulled the breechplug and knocked the bullet out it took a brass brush to get the crud out. Next I tried Pyrodex select ffg. No posibility of a second shot without a wet swab and then a dry one. After several other blind alley attempts (mostly with different primers including the .25ACP conversion; I finally spent the money for four pounds of Black Mag'3. My Omega loves the stuff. Higher velocity than 777 for same charge, less perceived recoil, less than one minute of angle at 100 yards (most of the time). and three to four shots in a row without a swab between. Killed my last elk with 90gr. Black Mag'3 under a 300gr. Hornady bullet. Some Omega rifles can be very picky. Mine is OK now but I can understand how someone might have given up before finding a solution.

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I really like my Black Diamonds. Got rid of an Encore because I liked the BD better. If you can find one you should check them out.