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Can someone tell me the true diameter of a .45 cal powerbelt?

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My 195 gr. are .449-.448 . the cup makes up the rest of the seal after the powder goes off .
chaz3815

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Did you mic the plastic base also?

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There are no laws that prohibit ML bullets from being the same diameter from bullet-to-bullet.... component-to-component .... accessory-to-accessory. You may have five different fractional and/or one-thousands-difference in diameters in each Powerbelt 15/20 pk.

You need to try them for fit & accuracy. That's the best way to find a good bullet. What works well in gun built one minute after yours - on the same assembly line -- may not shoot anywhere near the same target holes sid-by-side.

That's the beauty of this sport. Whenever someone here announces they worked-up a nice, personalizedbullet, primer & powder choice-load, they really did all the preparation & work themselves.

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Look, all i want to know is the diameter of the bullet and the diameter of the base.I didn't want to write a whole paragraph for my reasons ofwanting this info. It was a simple question. I already know about slight variations +/- in bullets and bores. I'm not interested in getting a dissertation on choosing a bullet or working up a load. If you don't know the answer to the question, don't post. Simple.

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:eek:

With a comment such as that you may have to go BUY a set of calipers along with the powerbeelts to find out!

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i think you need to step back and think about what you just said. triple seven went out of his way to help you ,then you get smarty pants and make comment like that.

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Thanks for the kind words. Earlier today, I wasbelittled improperly by a gut called NumNuts -- now it's a guy called Maniac.

I seem to attractthe abnormal posters these days.... judging by their screen names.

Hopefully, a new hypothetical poster named "Screwball or Gnarly-1" won't be next baiting me.

Sorry for the interruption on a couple of threads in the past 24 hours.

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There was never a more true statement. My brother, a friend, and I have identical 50 caliber T/C Omegas (3 guns). They all like different bullets and powders. Both of theirs shoot 777 accuratedly, but mine will not. I even sent it back to T/C and they got great groups out of it with sabots (I can't shoot sabots in Colorado). I had to go back to pyrodex to get accuracy with mine.

Each gun is different! There is NO "best" load for a group of guns, you have to experiment at the range with YOUR gun.

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sproulman......He went out of his way to help me? Ok lets see how much help did i get.


What the heck are you talking about?Apparantly you don't think i need the info i asked for because you're saying that there may be five different fractional and/or one-thousands difference. I may be wrong here, but i don't think i will find a powerbelt at .005 under .50 cal or .005 over, but that's not the point. You have no idea why i asked for the info.I don't have a caliper or micrometer and needed this info rightaway. That's why i posted here looking forHELP.So did you help me? NO!

Again, i did not say a word about looking for looking to find a good bullet, i asked if anyone knew the true diameter of the powerbelt, which chaz3815was gracious enough to HELP me out without lecturing me. Did Trip Se7en help here? NO!

So now in this statement you're telling me i should do all the preparation & work myself. Well, that's a lot of help. I thought that's what these boards are for. Finding and sharing information. Not telling someone to go do the work themselves.

Yeah, Triple Se7ven went out of his way alright, but it was'nt to help.

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My friend shoots Powerbelts with his ML, and yes I miked three of his, the resultsdidnt come out the same as Chaz, but with the attitude you gave Tripleseven I dont want to post what I found, you will just give me a hard way to go.

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The bottom line here guys is we have to read the posts and try to stay on subject. Sometimes in the desire to help we get a little off subject (sort of like Tripple Seven did). The requester should understand that this might happen and the response was totally uncalled for. If you don't get what you want the first time ask again (NICELY) and you will get the help. Lets all continue to be a happy helpful group. I have gotten tons of valuable information from this site and others with basically the same guys. Lets not ruin a good thing with sharp comments. And to get back on subject. I am sorry; but I only have .50cal. Powerbelts so I can't help either.

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Welcome to the club Maniac. Triple 7's called more people names on this board and turned more threads south than all others combined. If any of you doubt that, go back and do a little reading of the history, it is all right here. Many of his posts make absolutely no sense and have absolutely nothing to do with the question the person asked. One of the important etiquette rules on these boards is to stay on topic with the original question from the poster. It is the poster's thread. If you want to make a point about something else, start your own thread.

Here we go again, Maniac, NumNutz. Personally, he has called me misinformed and a liar, but I just consider the source. Oh yea, he also called me Grumpy Dad. That really hurt.;)

Signed,
Grumpy Dad

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I would like to apologize if i offended anyone other Triple Sev7en. I've just had enough of his montrous ego. I mean you do have to have a big head to be able to use a Trademarked name as your personal screen name.:eek: And he really does know everything, just ask him. A true legend in his own mind. Hey Trip, to quote Numnutz, byte me!

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My friend with a 45 is the one who has shot these, I shoot a 50 Cal Omega.

We measured three bullets, he had shot all the others so thiscould be an innacurate sampling.On the micrometer we got readings of .449, .449, and .446 ( I called him and asked to make sure I remebered this correctly).

I was just getting interested in MLs at the time so it seemed a lot of difference in bullets to me, but my friend argued that.003 is a pretty small difference that could be caused by any number of things.

I guess it all comes from your point of view,we did not check the plastic at all because of its softness we just figured it would deform to the lands and grooves.

He stated that in that one package ofPowerbelts he thought there were twodifferent sizes in the same package because of the pressure required to load them. When I called him he also said he hasnt seen another package like that one since, the last several he used all seemed more consistent.

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at this point all I can say is get a mic.
chaz3815

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You would think that with a difference of .003 you are definately going to have some accuracy issues. I'm going to order a micrometer today, that way i can sort through my bullets and toss out the ones with most deviation.

The reason i asked about diameter of the bullet and then actually about the gas seal was because a friend wants to shoot all lead conicals. He didn't want to have to slug the barrel because it wouldn't do him any good without owning a micrometer to measure the slug, but he said that the powerbelts load really nice. Not too easy and not to hard, so he figured if we could ask someone the diameter of the Powerbelts/gas sealhe could order the lead conicals sized to that same diameter.

You know it would make sense for CVA to package the Powerbelts with a different size gas seal for those of us that have a larger bore.

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Why do you think you need a mic? Anyone who shoots and handloads needs calipers, they are much more flexible and user friendly....as far as the tolerance issues I do not think you will be able to see much of a difference with a 3 thou variance on a "skirt" that will expand to the barrel walls upon introduction to heat and pressure....plastic is very flexible in this application and will essentially mold to what it needs to be, especially in the form of a powerbelt skirt.....my 2 cents.

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Thanks for the sugestion on calipers.

Again, the bullet I have in my hand fits the bore of his rifle nicely, that is why we want to find out the diameter. We can then order all lead conicals sized to the same diameter. If the fit is too loose there is always the possibility of the bullet slipping off the powder charge.

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I will take my calipers home and measure tonight....

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.454, 453, .454, .453, .453, .453, .454, .454

Hope that helps.....

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It does, thank you very much.

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I gotta say ska. T& may have created so trouble in the past but I do not think that was his intentions here. He may have been trying to "read in" to what your intentions were but jeez no need to fly off the handle.

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I think the pressure builds and builds and then it comes out.

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On the subject of calipers. You can usually find a decent dial caliper at Checker Auto/Kragen or whatever it is called in your state. Another source is Harbor Freight Tools if you have one close. The stainless caliper that they sell is not real durable but if you handle it with care they are quite accurate. Usually sell for around $20.00. Made in China of course but what tools are not made in China today. Mine from Kragen works just fine.

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I have a good pair of digital calipers I can bring home when I need to use them. If not, I would just get a pair at Harbor Freight. Like you said, they should last a long time with a little care.

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Just looked at Harbor Freight 'cause i got one of them spammed emails and if i order now, i can git free pocket knife. ;)

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I think the pressure builds and builds and then it comes out.
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The ony thread I posted on this forum I got lectured by him on a subject I did not ask about, and quite frankly felt berated by him. I let it slide and just ignored him.
I should have ignored him like I usualy do, but had a bad night at work and let his stupid comment get the best of me.

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Just FYI, I dont know all of the "relationships" on this forum as much as I do on the Waterfowl, this IS a discussion forum and there is NO reason to get snotty towards someone especially if they reply to a post...on target or not....I have got much good information that way....but no one wins with bad attitudes:DThey just eventually piss the wrong person off and get banned and we dont need that!:D Get the calipers you wont be let down!!

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T7, you want to play "The Name Game"? Got a problem with my screen name? You've brought it up twice.Here ya go, let me know what ya think-----

Triple 7---A FAKE AND A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE REAL THING---how appropriate

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I hear ya numnutz, happened to me the same way asking a question about a scope. Shouldn't have to put up with his arrogant BS though. You know, i don't think he's ever asked for help, 'cause he already knows everything there is to know.:eek:

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First of all I like powerbelts except for the cost,The skirt is nothing more than an attention getter, The bullet works because it obturates (SP)
it has too toengage the rifling ,the skirt turns on the pedastal so it doesn't do anything or very little to help rotate the bullet orto seal gases, it does keep the bullet on the powder tho, I tried them without the skirt and they shot the same,
Redclub