There is a safety feature with Omegas that prevents folks from firing their Ml if the breechplug is not screwed-in all the way. Just the opposite of what you mentioned.
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Also..............

The CVA folks will "occasionally' replace your defective parts -- within a reasonable time frame. T/C replaces both defective and worn-out parts "for free" ... for life. You can be the 3rd-100th owner of that ML - not having a receipt/proof of purchase.

Try that with CVA..... better-yet..... don't bother to waste your precious time. CVAs are sercieable MLs that you can find acceptable accuracy with - in many cases. But you improve those odds buying T/Cs over CVAs.

I''m getting challenged all the time by folks who purchase inexpensive, entry-level Mls and tell folks they are just as good as more expensive brands. Well in most cases.. they're not!

If they are just as good, then they are generally just as good in only one facet of describing "good' versus 'serviceable".Domost CVAs compare evenly with T/Cs and Knightsat....

1)quality?
2)craftsmanship?
3)warranty coverage?
4)accuracy?
5)resale value?
6)life of product?

The answer is "any typical/singular CVA" riflegenerally lacks in multiple areas I listed. The only difference isthe numbers I listed change with each CVA.

T/Cs and Knights are not perfect by-any-means. But with Knights and T/Cs, YOU HAVE LESS NUMBERS-ISSUES.

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I'm done here on this thread!!!!!!!!


By-the-way....I just purchased & received a brand new Youth Hunter Stalker Carbine CVA sidelock yesterday. To be used with under 80 grains of powder 100% of the time. So don't tell me I'm anti-CVA.... anti-Traditions (own 3). I just happen to know a good gun from a serviceable gun manufacturer.

Keep buying your CVAs -- I'll keep buying my T/Cs. That should make us both happy.

Now this in my personal opinion and i may have just taken the tone wrong. But you got an attitude problem. My first muzzleloader was a cva blazer, introduced in the late 80's at one of the first inlines. I bought this rifle in ooooooh around 1998. It was around 8-9 years old when i bought it brand new in '98 out of a gun shop. I owned that gun for 4 years until a gunsmith tried drilling out a welded breech plug and then realised it. I Emailed cva about buying an replacement barrel and was told they didnt make that rifle anymore and to send it back to them and they will send me a .50 staghorn inline as an replacement. Hmmm i paid $60 for the blazer and they send me a $120-130 rifle to replace a 10 year old gun? Seems like pretty good service to me! The blazer did a good job but the staghorn out did it by far. I've owned 5 cva's and have never had any issues. Unless you count the cva the gun smith screwed up. As for resale value. I only give a crap about that when i buy a new over priced car. I sold off all my inlines and kept the winchester x-150 my ex girl friend bought me. Its the only inline i'll ever need to own. Theres no point in replacing a perfectly good shooting gun because some other company makes a cute dropping trigger. It takes 2 seconds at the most to pull my bolt out of the muzzleloader. And so far ive seen more people complaining about not getting accuracy out of their omegas than ive seen about cva or any other ML company. Now the only thing i did replace on my winchester that i didnt like were the sights. Im extremly near sighted and the front sight was to small and was blurry for me to see. That was a $20 and that was personal issues. No company can make a perfect gun to suit everyones personal needs. Now cva has a cool inline that has a thumb flip up cover that seals the 209 primer. But it has something that the omega uses and that i HATE! Everyone is going back to HAMMERS! thats the reason i bought the winchester. If i want to deal with a hammer, i would stick to a traditional muzzleloader. When im out hunting, i dont want to pull a hammer back and flick off the safety. I want to aim, take saftly off, and fire! Every company out there is using a hammer now because everyone else is. Damn followers!

That's a shame. You know I've been oogling over a Traditions sidelock gun from another forum. Now I'm not so sure.

Traditions IS NOT part of bpi. I pissed cva off by asking about the traditions kentucky classic lol. I thought they were bpi but they are not.I own the traditions kentucky classic and it truely is a great product. I own 2 1/2 BP rifles. Winchester x150, traditions kentucky classic and im building a .36 rifle that uses a traditions frontier gander 28" barrel. ive had no problems with any of these guns ive bought from cva or traditions. And i sure in hell am not paying $500+ of a TC that does the same job the lower value rifles do. If not better... And a rifle is only going to last a long time in the hands of a person that takes proper care of it.

Frontier, what safety? Perhaps an Omega owner can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe they come with safeties. The hammer at half cock IS the safety. It is the case with the Kodiak and the Encore, and I'm sure it's the same with the Omega.

doe girl. I was referring to my inline about having the switch for safety. What i was saying is, i do not like the omgeas or any other ML that has a hammer. The point of having an inline WAS to eliminate the hammer and making the trigger like a centerfire rifle. Hammers should be a thing of the past, You dont see millitary rifles using an external hammer anymore. But thats beyond the point. And the external hammer isnt very safe, A wet glove or finger while lowering the hammer can be a mess if your thumb were to slip and drop the hammer. I remember when some cva's and white rifles had the double safety which was a great idea. I THINK it was the white that had the screw safety where it pulled the firing pin back and away so if u were to drop it, no firing pin would hit. What traditions were you looking at by the way?

O.K. Frontier, now I see where you're coming from regarding hammers vs safeties. Thumbs slipping off the hammer being cocked back could result in an accidental discharge, for sure. The sidelock I'm looking at is the Traditions Deerhunter.

http://www.frogcreek.net/cgi/store/R36128101.html?id=wQfDRWSE

Above is the deer hunter. But to be honest i would spend the $35 more and buy the kentucky classic. http://www.frogcreek.net/cgi/store/R2020.html?id=wQfDRWSE They dont show pics but you can type in the name of rifle on yahoo and do a search for a pic or two. Or you may also want to look up the cva plainsman rifle for $175.

Doegirl - you can go back to "oopling." I just checked Blackpowder Products, Inc. a.k.a. BPI and Tradition's Rifle is NOT listed as one of their companies. Frontier Gander would be correct and I was mistaken. I must have been fooled by their Spanish made barrels. The same in appearance as those on my CVA rifles as well. Iwas under the impression they were part of the BPIfamily from pastdiscussions, but perhaps the conversation centered on the barrel maker.

Personally I own two Tradition's Traditional rifles, a Woodsman Hawkins and a Pioneer. I sold a third one I had which was a Panther to a friend for his son. All of them are .50 caliber and percussion ignition. All of them (now are) very dependable. Each one of them only had minor problems. The Woodsman would not fire caps consistently. That was fixed. The Pioneer developed a crack in the stock. Traditions advised me they no longer made that rifle so they could not fix it and advised me to glue the crack. I was not pleased with that response at all.The Panther had a ramrod problem which I fixed with a shim.

As Frontier Gander said, "And a rifle is only going to last a long time in the hands of a person that takes proper care of it." Although the Pioneer's stocked cracked, I feel was not my fault. Yet their customer service failed to take care of that problem. I guess they had a valid excuse.

On the other hand I cracked the stock on one on my Renegades made by T/C. I sent the rifle back to them, they replaced the stock and fitted the barrel, and lock to the new stock, free of charge. Even though the rifle was over 15 years old. Now that was what I called customer service.

I also bought but never kept two Tradition's inline rifles.They were an E-bolt if memory serves me. One of them would not cock, and the other would just go off when it felt like it. Both were returned. I got a T/C Black Diamond XR to replace them. That rifle is still going strong.

Soyou do not have to avoid that brand of rifle if you so wish. Although I feel there are better rifles out there. Again, personal opinion on my part.

yup i had a problem with my stock on that old cva blazer. This was my first muzzleloader and so i really didnt know anything about them at the time. I used 70 grains pyrodex rs and a 285 grain maxi ball. Boy was that a mistake! I ended up using an epoxy to repair the broken area which worked great and i switched to lower grain bullets. That was a fun shooting rifle. Most companys wont replace stocks and barrels and such if they dont make them anymore. CVA was nice enough to replace my rifle with something else. ive only bought 1 traditions rifle and they've been great for me. I guess ML companies are like auto makers, Doesnt matter what brand you buy,every maker is bound to let a batch of bad eggs slip by. But thats whats nice about cva, traditions brands, they make the lower $$$ muzzleloaders for you to start off with. Ive never seen someone throw out big $$$ for a highend muzzleloader to learn off of. And you shouldnt i belive, You need to start off with a low price ML to learn off of and improve your skills. And if you dont like ML, just sell off the Cheapie ML and move on to another sort. I would still to this day own that old cva if it wernt for some moron gun smith lol. But, buy what you can afford. TC doesnt make an affordable begginer ML which hurts them i belive. If you are a young kid or a guy with a family and low income and want to buy a ML and walk into a TC store, that guys gonna be walkin right back out shaking his head and heading to a cva seller. Thats where TC screws them self. They need more affordable rifles.