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Well, I made it out shooting again this morning. Got to the shooting site at 6:30 and it was 74 degrees. When we left at 10:00, it was 94. It ultimately got up to 106 to 109 depending on which thermometer I looked at. Anyway, my wife's aunt and uncle are here from Germany visiting. Deiter jumped at the chance to go shooting as the opportunities to shoot in Germany are very limited.

We took my U-M that has a Lyman peep sight and my dad's new U-M with stock sights. I just got it for him and haven't had a chance to get it to him yet.

We shot both guns quite a few times, just alternating shooting the same target. Both guns were shooting good for me, but Dieter didn't haveso much luckl. He kept saying farkartzen or something like that which I think he told me means he missed it or there is nothing there. He does speak very good english by the way.

Anyway, I got my dad's gun tuned in and we shot some at 50 yards. It did very well, although I didn't shoot any groups to take pictures of. I shot one group at 50 yards with my gun. This was with the Bull Shop 460s.



I then shot moved my target back to 100 yards and tweeked the sight up just a little. Here are the results.



Then didn't change the sights and shot a group with the Bull Shop 500s. I don't remember pulling the one high, but I assume that was operator error. I have just shot toomany now without a flier, also looking at Cayugad's results, so I take credit for a bad shot.



As you can see, we also did a little shooting with the 10-22. Mine was from a rest, on this last target. Dieter shot offhand and his is on the other picture.

All in all I was extremely happy with the U-M's. Oh, forget to mention. I swabbed my gun once while we were shooting, probably after 10 shots,3-4 shots prior to me shooting the above groups. I could feel a little crud buildup during seating at that point. I WAS NOT using any wad this trip. I think ona fowled barrel the .504 Bullshops are fine. They are too loose for me on a clean barrel. I have some .5045's coming and will post how they load after I receive them.

Back to being happy. As normal, I was just shooting with a bag under the front of the forestock off the hood of my Suburban. I did switch the insert out on the peep sight to the more open aperature. I like it much, much better than the real small one. I don't think I will ever use the real small one again. At some point, I will do some shooting without any insert in. I think this is the way I will shoot it during hunting.

Hey sabotloader, go ahead and ask the dumb questions, we understand.:D Actually, I have had the same concern. Next time out. I will take a clean barrel and fire a squib load prior to loading the .504s. If I have the .5045s, I will try it on a clean barrel and then also after a squib load. I found out last week, that I can not use a wad card with the .504s for hunting. Basically it acts like a swab andloading the bullet on a clean barrel after inseting the wad.

I'm sure I will think of something else later.

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That's some nice groups you got there for open sight shooting at those distances. Is there a reason why you do not use or try a wad? The wads I use are not felt. They are a very stiff .510 cardboard fiber and they really seal that barrel good when I put the two of them in there...

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Cayugad,

Last Sunday, I used a wad on every shot. I used the 3/16" wad cards from Track of the Wolf that UC pimps. They did worked great, but the .504 Bull Shops just load too loose after inserting the wad. So, this trip, I wanted to shoot without a wad and see if they loaded any different and also see if I lost any accuracy.

Well, the do load better in my opinion. They still load super easy, but there is a little resistance and I would not fear one coming off the powder, like I would on a barrel after inserting one of these wads.

I don't think I lost any accuracy this trip, while not using a wad. I feel that I could shoot all day using these wads and not have to swab once. Today, I think I went 10 shots and then based on the way the bullets were seating, I needed to swab.

I will experiment with and without the wad once i get the .5045's from Alaska.

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I agree, the .504 BullShop do load easy. I'd do some testing today, but it is flintlock day today. I want to shoot all my flintlocks with some friends. I might take the White out also, but the more rifles I shoot the more I have to clean. At least the flintlocks are easy to clean.

I will be interested in hearing your recommendations of the .5045 bullshop bullets. Also how they load. What I want to get away from is the constant swabbing that I have to do with the other inline rifles.

I am going to try some teflon tapes bullshops and see if the tape effects them all that much for accuracy. If not once the barrel is fowled they really do sit pretty nice in there.

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Cayugad, I sure hope the .5045's do the trick for loading. I would like to continue to use the wad cards and also use them for hunting, but would not feel comfortable using the wad card and the .504's. As you know, the .504's are right on the border of being ok. I really think the 1/2 thou will do it. I'll find out soon.

I don't know about the teflon tape. Wouldn't that be nearly as much work as swabbing every time?

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Cas, I feel that rifle is not right for you and you should send it to Wi. (me not Dave). Its cooler here.
Redclub

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The Teflon tape was a way to make sure the bullet did not slide around in the bore. They discussed it a while back and I used to teflon tape minnie ball for the same reason.

Redclub, I think you were right the first time. Send that puppy to Wisconsin, where I live and I will me more then glad to take care of it for him...

See how helpful we are in Wisconsin.. :D

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I would consider it Redclub, but I know you want a laminated and I have synthetics. So, I know you would never be happy with it.

Cayugad, Even though you shoot almost evey day, if you rotate between all your guns, it'd still probably take ya over a month to shoot this one, so I think it wouldn't be satisfied.

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I got my sample of oversized bullets from the Bullshop today. Wow, they look good. Looks like Dan sent me some 460's and then when I looked down in the box, there are 2 sizes of little baby boolits. I think the little brother is 300 gr and the big brother is 350 gr. That's gunna be some fun shootin Saturday. You better come over sabotloader. Maybe you might try toload something besides plastic!!!!!!!!

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I could not wait to show off.

460 on the left, 350 in the middle and 300 on the right.