Long range ML?
 

Most of the post I read on consistant ML ranges seem to max out at 100 yds. I hunt alot of clearcuts and really would like an ML that can give me good groups out to 150. Any suggestions?

Thanks...Back40

RE: Long range ML?
 

Back 40...probably any of the muzzeloaders currently being manufactured can do that...especially if you shoot manufactured ammunition...in other words, not lead balls you mold yourself. With every bullet being the exact same weight and shape, along with modern manufacturing techniqes for the barrels, the accuracy is pretty much built in. Now you can even get black powder pellets, too, which ensures that your loads are the same every single time, too. I can recommend the Remington 700 ML...its a 700 bolt action that has been converted to a muzzeloader. Far as I can tell, it shoots pretty much identical to the modern 700, but I have not tried it beyond 100 yds, so you'd have to see for yourself. It also comes drilled and tapped for a scope, which you might want.
Good luck!

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My Knight will shoot sub-3" groups at 150. They'd probably be tighter, if it weren't for me. It's got a Simmons 4x32 scope and I was using a tacklebox with a towel as a benchrest (not super stable). But 3" is good enough to hit a deer's 8-10" kill zone.

Mike


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RE: Long range ML?
 

Aside from grouping ability, it is trajectory that limits the range of a muzzleloader. Even with relatively high velocities, (1800 to over 2000 FPS) the drop beyond the range they are zeroed for is considerable. And, when you zero them for a long range like 150 yards, you are then risking mid-range misses on the high side!

Keep yore powder dry!!

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The Savage 10ML-II. Nothing else on the muzzleloading market can even come close to matching it's velocity, flat trajectory, and knock down powder. With my most recent loads, I can push a Hornady .452 250gr XTP out the muzzle at over 2,600 FPS, generating over 3,700 FPE, and with a 2" high zero at 100yds I drop just 16" at 300yds, where I still have almost 1,400 FPS and 1,100 FPE. Average groups run between 1 & 1.5" at 100yds, but I have shot 2.5" groups at 300yds, with the 10ML-II.

If you are looking for a true long range muzzleloader, you need to look at the Savage 10ML-II.

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Hey 1SHOT, email me those loads! I have a 10mlII. My email is [email protected]

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Done, TN Hunter.

I did not want to list that load info here, as it is smokeless powder loads, for the Savage 10ML-II only. I do not want to risk the chance that someone, accidently or intentionally, using that load in some other muzzleloader, not a Savage 10ML or 10ML-II. The resulting shot, would look like the 4th of July, in any other muzzleloader but a Savage 10ML-II.

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gregwth7mmmag, so what are all these states that don't allow smokeless? I doubt a game warden ever bat an eye at what kinda powder your using. As far as the challege, do you think the savage will just take out all that challenge? Will I have double the amount of deer due to it?

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I don't really see what difference it makes whether one uses smokeless or black(like) if it's loaded from the front.

I'm not trying to encourage lawbreaking, but how the heck is a DNR game warden supposed to know the difference between smokeless and triple 7? By taste?

Mike


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RE: Long range ML?
 

I have a WHITE .503 cal. and have taken 2 deer at 150yds. plus. I don't think 200 yds. would be a problem. I'm going to find out at the range.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>...this forum and others, 150 yards is a long walk down the road for a muzzleloader.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>I'll second that, not to say that it can't be done. I just takes time to work up a load that is going to carry that far and give good penetration that far downrange.

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