New Sabots
 

T/C mailed me 15 new sabots to try with 250 gr. Shock Waves in my Omega. These sabots have petals that mic out at .022-.023 and have numbers in the base cup ranging from 2-21 and the petals are about .125 longer than the original sabots. The original sabots have petals that mic out at .025-.026 and theres no number molded into the base cup. Both base cups are stepped. Can anyone I.D. them ? I won't get a chance to try them for a few days.

RE: New Sabots
 

Sounds like MMP HPH/24

http://www.mmpsabots.com/

RE: New Sabots
 

Sounds like MMP's to me too,I have not heard of
T/C making any new sabots. But with thebores
of some Omega's being so tight, they may have
come up with something to counter the Harvester
crushribs. Keep us posted on the results when
you get some range time.
Danny

RE: New Sabots
 

bsteve

I believe you have the correct sabots now... MMP HPH-24's most likely.
How many petals on the sabot I am assuming 4?....

Check the base - they should have a stepped base...

TC could??? still be getting some from Harvester, but I do not think they are at this time..

RE: New Sabots
 

They sound like HPH 24's but HPH 24's are supposed to be the ones sold with shockwaves. I know there was an issue with sabots at one time. Maybe you have older sabots?

Another thought, how many petals are there on the new sabots?

RE: New Sabots
 

Both the new and old sabots have 4 petals and stepped bases.I bought the Shock Waves in Dec. 04, but didn't use them until last fall. The bullet fits in the new sabots better, the old sabots seemed to be under sized-the bullet wouldn't seat completely in the sabot.

RE: New Sabots
 

bsteve

From your descriptions I would tell you they are both MMP sabots... I am also inclined to believe the new sabots that you recieved are of the HPH-24 variety and the older ones were of the HPH-12 variety.

The 24's are for tighter barrels:

This is off the MMP site...

There was a problem with the sabots supplied with the SW's for awhile and now it really escapes me what is was, besides being a bear to load.

RE: New Sabots
 

Likely you got their substitute sabots then. That's when I was having problems with them.I'd bet that the new bunch are HPH 24's. I wouldn't stock up on them though.;)

RE: New Sabots
 

bsteve

Wolfhound76 is correct, if you want to continue shooting the 250 SW or actually any .451/.452 bullet try the 24 - if it loads ok - should not be hard to get down - you probably can push it down with your thumbs - then the 24 is what you need, but if it is difficult. wait to stock up on anything else. There may be another answer around the corner...this spring.

My newest purchase was a new Omega and I was terribly concerned about getting sabot bullet combinations down it - butthe 24's work great in it. I even shoot .458(45-70's) with an MMP .458 Orange sabot from it.

RE: New Sabots
 

My Omega is pretty tight. HPH 24's are ok but they load snug. My Omega measures .500 per my slugging it a few weeks ago. This is with .452 bullets like the shockwave.

RE: New Sabots
 

Wolfhound76

I know there are no bore standards but you would really think on an American made barrel from the same manufacturer that the bore diameters from gun to gun would be closer... I am not a rocket scientist so my mic measurements are not the best... I have some 320 REALs they measure at the top ring .500-.501 - if I drop that into the QLA they hang up just a bit but just a slight push and they will slide down the barrel - to get them out turn the gun upside down and give a slight jerk and it will come out the bore. Yet I am able to load any bullet I have .451/.452's with the 24's with a minimum force - if the QLA did not get in the way I could probably push it all the way down with my thumbs... and I think I mentioned also the same thing for .458's and the MMP sabot. If I use a "crush rib" with a 300 grain .452 Hornady XTP it seems like it is TO easy and with the other sabot same thing. So why? is there that much difference between TCguns...

Sorry bsteve - not meaning to hijack your thread....

RE: New Sabots
 

Short answer is... yes, there is that much difference.

RE: New Sabots
 

If I was to order sabots of the right thickness from MMP, which sabot would I ask for when ordering that would be similar to the crushed rib sabot from Harvester for loading? I have to order a couple hundred more of the orange sabots and I am down to about 50 of the crushed rib. I noticed today with the CVA Stalker, when I tried to load a conventional sabot and projectile, I was going to have a hard time getting it in the barrel. The Crushed Rib sabots did load fine and shot great. I just figured I would not have to order from a different store that way. I tend to order way too much stuff when in other online stores..

RE: New Sabots
 

SabotLoader, not a problem. I also tried the Crush Ribs per your suggestion. In my rifle with a dirty barrel they loaded with about the right resistance. I 'll probably get out to the range tuesday and give the new sabots a try.

RE: New Sabots
 

UC

But that is my question WHY? Same barrel, same manufacturer, same metal, same tools - I can not believe they are not coming off a line - certainly they can not be hand made in this day and age....

Remember i am not an engineer but it does seem odd to me...

RE: New Sabots
 

Probably tooling wear or simply different tools (or maybe even different machine operators). Short answere there is, I don't know either. :D

RE: New Sabots
 

My guess is that they have more than one barrel boring set up. Other than the loading difficulty everything else has been A O.K. The rifle is very accurate.

RE: New Sabots
 

Because the gun-making laws are not as stringent with muzzleloaders, the tools are allowed to get duller - diameter specs are allowed more variance in width -- groove dimensions/number of groovesare allowed to vary.

Sometimes, it ain't the barrel's fault. Stock-to-barrel fit may be slightly off -- stock screw holes can be off by an inch-or-so -- trigger pull variances... etc.

It all goes with a product thaty sells on average for $225 versus your centerfire that sells on average for double-that.

RE: New Sabots
 

Triple Se7en& UC

I grasp the picture, but it just seems odd to me that a major manufacturer would have that kind of tolerance... as an example and an example only, I have two Remington's a 24" and a 26" my nephew has a 26" - these guns are years apart from each other but they virtually have the same bore diameter, notice I did not say exact. I have 4 Green Mountain 1/28 twist barrels, forgot to say Hawkin barrels,- 3 regular steel and 1 stainless purchased over several years - they are virtually the same and finally the 2 A&H's from different generations one from Weston - one from Provo and again virtually the same extruded bore. In fact all of these 50 cal bores use the same sabot and the same bullets with out a problem...it mystifies me....

This is why I have problems in my mind about these TC bores... I prayed when i got mine i the correct bore and it worked out so I am happy. Mine is a stainless is the variety occuring from Stainless to Z5 models? Got to be a reason - I know you already told me....but darn, not a good way to run a business.

RE: New Sabots
 

well all my 50 cal. TC's slug at .500 is that not correct? It sure made a differance when I firelapped in the loading but they still slug at .500; I think having a good smooth polish makes a noticable differance in loading,don't you.Lee

RE: New Sabots
 

I've seen these yellow sabots for around three years now. So really, nothing is new with them. I remember them covering the Buffalo all-lead 225 grain HPs -- also remember them covering the Swift A-Frame HPbulletsthat are rightaround 250 grains.

Never purchased either bullet -- never saw the yellow sabots for sale in 50-pks.