T/C Scout Rate of twist ?
 

I have read or heard several different twist rates for the T/C Scout 1:20 , 1:32, 1:38 , 1:48. Can anyone give me the real story or has there really been all of these twists used on these rifles at on time or another durring their production. Some one told me that the early guns had the 1:20 rate and as time went on the rates progressed slower with the last guns made having the 1:48.

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OzoneRanger,
I don't know the history of the T/C Scout's rate of twist, but mine has the 1-20" twist. I know it was alsooffered in 1-48" twist, but I never heard of it in the 1-32 or 1-38 on the Scout.
In fact I don't remember T/C ever using a 1-32", so I think you can rule that one out.

When Pittsburghunter reads your post, he might know.

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TC's catalog list the Scout with a 21" barrel as follows:

.50cal = 1:38" twist
.54cal= 1:20" twist

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I don't have any direct knowledge, Ozone, but have been researching the Scout carbine as I was interested in one being offered on Gunbroker.

The seller listed the .50 carbine has having the 1-in-20" twist. This agrees with what Sam Fadala listed as the twist of a .50 carbine he tested in his first Blackpowder Loading Manual. This is the same twist he shows as being used in the .50 White Mountain Carbine.

InS. Fadala'stesting and in the case of forum comments from Scout owners, the fast twist .50 carbine is supposed to beextremely accurate with conicals; but my informationis all second hand.

For some reason, T/C seemed to favor a very fast twist with their carbine length barrels and got good results from them. Why this wasn't carried into the longer rifle barrels is a mystery to me.
FWIW
Bob

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I bought my T.C. Scout so long ago that I don't remember how old it is but my manual says the rate of twist formy 50 caliberis 1:38.

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roundball,
You are absolutely 100% correct with the 1-38" & 1-20" twist on the T/C Scout. I found an old T/C Catolog #21 that had it listed as such.
Now I'm wondering if there were older versions that had the 1-48" twist too. I don't have enough older catolog's to check.....maybe it never had the 1-48" twist and it's just in my head?
It's got me scratching my old noggin now:eek:

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The first were 20 twist I know they made some we couldn't buy out east with Half octagon barrels I do not know what the tist was. I know the after fire guns had plastic stocks and 38 twist they didn't look as nice. The receiver also had case hardening that didn't look as good as the old blued ones.

I have seen one of the half octagon ones at a gun show they looked pretty sweet the barrel was a bit longer I think as well.

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Encoreman
Sounds like we can rule out the 1:32 and there seems to be an agreement on 1:20 for the 54cal. But with the 50cal. most state 1:38 , although Short start mentions a puplication showing 1:20 for the 50cal. That may have been an error. As far as the 1:48 go's there is still room for question , but no one mentioned it showing up in any text.
I would say this is the best informed group that I have but this question to.
Thanks for the help , you guys are great!!

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OzoneRanger,
My Scout is a .50cal. w/1-20" twist. It is blue'd with the Rynite stock.
The 1-32" twist barrels that I've seen have been from CVA and Traditions....there could be other's too, but that's all I know of without researching it.

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Boy I must correct myself on something I said. I was just down at the local gunshop that I bought the T/C Express from and they have an almost brand new looking Scout .54 with walnut stock and the case hardened receiver. The gun is beautiful and the case hardening looks like it was the original design it fits so well. Only $250 I have to think about this rifle a little bit.

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Encoreman
Sounds like the 50cal. came with two twist rates 1:20 and 1:38. I'm wondering when the change took place or maybe they were always available in both.

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Pttsburghhunter
Sounds like a keeper to me. These Scouts shoot as well as any lever action center fire I've had. I've watched the net for prices and thats a good price for a gun in its condition.

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I called T/C about 2 weeks ago and ordered 2 new nipples for my scout and I asked the man what the twist rate is on a50 cal. scout and he told me 1-48. Don't know if all were that though?

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codsterboy,
You made me feel a lot better about my old memory banks. I thought they were made w/1-48" at one time.

Pittsburghunter,
That Scout sounds really sweet. Post pictures when you get her home. LOL

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Codster, my .50 has a 1:20 twist and I do not know of any Scout made that had a 48 twist but as I stated earlier they went though different distribution channels and probabally had some custom runs as well.

The best I can tell you is if you look at any good Black powder manual it lists the Scout as a 1:20 twist but again I am talking pre-fire production runs.

The .54 I saw breaks all the rules I know about Scouts. I never have seen one with the case hardened receiver and walnut Stock.:eek: Boy that thing would look great on my gun rack.

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I have 2 Scouts the 54cal is a case hardened with walnut stock and its 1:20.
The other is a 50cal. also case hardened ,walnut and its 1:38.
I called friends who also have Scouts in 54cal. all three are case hrdened and walnut and all are 1:20. I have yet to find a 1:48 , if I do i'll have to buy.
I'll try to post a photo of the 50cal.

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O.K. Guys. I called T/C today and gave them my serial number on my SCOUT Muzzleloader. I am the original owner but stupidly threw the paperwork away when I got it as a Christmas gift. T/C ran the serial number and said it was made between Sept and Oct. 1996. It isa 24 inch barrel,blued/synthetic stock, 50 cal., 1-48 TWIST. Don't know if this is RARE or NOT ?????

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Ozone your rifle looks to have the blued receiver like mine but what I notice and like on yours is the nosecap. as you can see mine hasn't one and I can't remember right now if the .54 I looked at had one. If you look at the swirly multi colored steel one my sidelocks that is what case hardening looks like.

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You can check it very simply yourself...seat a tight fittng patch/jag combo, make the rod where it comes out ofthe muzzle, and also make an alignment mark on it...slowly with draw the rod and cound the number of revolutions the alignment marks makes by the time the jag comes out.

Measure the amount of inches that the rod was in the bore, and with the # of turns it made coming out, you can do the math to figure the twist rate...personally I'll be shocked if it's a 1:48" barrel.
:D

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Well I just went down and tried to check myself manually. With the nipple in the gun I put the ramrod down in it and marked it with a piece of tape and marked the tape with a pencil mark. When I pulled it out the pencil mark was slightly past 1/2 a turn. When I measured the tape it was 23 1/2 inches in the barrel. I never knew how to tell if I had a case hardened receiver and looked at mine again. It isn't what I would call a pure bluing, it is more like a swirled look that was mentioned before.

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What about that nose cap? The ones sold around here didn't have one.

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I only have the one muzzleloader and never seen any with the nose cap. Mine has the same fore end stock as yours in the picture.

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When I say the same fore end I mean with the collar and screwand not the brass cap. Also when was the fire at T/C that destroyed some of their records?

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I sent a letter to T/C asking about my guns. They are both very limited prodution models. Both have the capped forend and the curved but plate and octagon barrels. On the top of the barrels they are marked TEXAS SCOUT and CODY SCOUT. The Texas is 50cal. and the CODY is 54cal. I'll try to include a copy of the letter and photos of the barrel markings with this.

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Only will let me do one photo at a time

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Copy of the letter

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Pittsburghunter
The photo doesn't show it but the TEXAS SCOUT shown has casehardening on the bottom,top and side bevel. The large side flats are blued.
The CODY SCOUT is full casehardened.

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That looks like the one I saw at a gunshow with the half octagonal barrel. The one I saw at the shop the other day I need to look at again.

This is very interesting They had so many rifles that were not in catologs and sold through distributors like Gander Mountain I am sure I will keep seeing models I never knew were out there. This reminds me of the Express I sold to Encoreman There is no record of that rifle ever being sold around here.

Did you folks out west ever see something called the PA Flinter? PA until a few years ago required smoothbore m/l flintlocks and T/C made one for people who needed or just wanted a smoothbore. I think it was .54.

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No ,I haven't seen a PA flinter. As for the half round half octagon I do recall that. If I recall right they were rifle models of the Scouts with I think 24" or maybe 26" barrels.
My guns are full octagon and the carbine barrel length.
I keep coming across models that I have never seen before and when I contact T/C they aren't much help. I still haven't found anyone at T/C or other wise that can provide info on the Cody Scout model. I do know that they were made in both 50cal. and 54cal. as I've seen both. I've only seen the Texas in 50cal.
The fire at the factory has made things tough.
As for the twist rate it looks like the early guns were 1:20 54cal. and 1:38 50cal. and then maybe they went to 1:48.