Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Can anyone tell me a good place to buy crushrib sabots. I can't find the website for harvester. I know, that with all you good muzzleloaders out there, that you know a good place to buy them. I want to try them in my Omega.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Cabelas and Mid South Shooters Supply carry them.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Thanks for the info, bsteve

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

mayguy

Here is the website - things have changed recently - the parent company is re-organizing things.

http://www.harvesterbullets.com/

This website will give you additions outlets for the product.

Another thought to share, there may be another sabot on the market in a few months that might perform better than the "crush rib" - might keep that in mind if you order 'crush ribs'

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Thanks for the info, sabotloader. I will keep watch for the new one and will try a few of the crushribs. It sure is good to be able to get info, from you guys, that have so much more experience with muzzleloaders than I do.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

mayguy

What sabot have you been using? if you do not mind me asking...

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

I have been using the ones that come with the bullets, if they aren't too tight ( which they usually are in my Omega). I have some black HPH24s that I use then. I have quite a few new bullets to try-- 250 & 300 gr Shockwaves, 300 gr Barnes expanders, 285 gr Knight ultimate slam, Barnes new poly tipped( when Cabelas get them off of back order) 290 gr, And 45 caliber Gold Dots 300 gr. I wanted to make sure I had a sabot that would work with all of them. I don't know how much I'll learn from all of them, but I plan on having a good time trying them all out.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

mayguy

If you already have the 24's, adding some crush ribs I think is a good plan...

Pay particular attention to the different loading pressures from a .452to a .451, for me there is a noticeable difference.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

The regular Harvester sabots are also worth trying. My T/C likes them with the Barnes bullets - which are rod busting tight with the sabots Barnes provides with them.

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Roskoe

Do you find a difference between MMP-HPH-24's andthe Harvester Regular Long Sabot? I know for Triple Se7en, hehas indicated that the Harvester loads easier. For me it is the opposit I have them both and get me consistent loads, clean bore or fouled borefrom the 24's loading .452 bullets... loading .451's it is a non-issue they both go down about equal.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

mayguy: Here is the info I have from Tony Cain
national sales mgr. for Harvester.

E-mail: [email protected]
Office: 270-827-4953
Fax: 270-827-4972
Cell: 270-454-1621

When I e-mailed him about the Crushrib sabots
he answered me on a Sunday afternoon. This
information will get you through to him and how
to purchase.
I hope this helps......Danny

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

I agree with Triple 7 - the Harvester are a little easier. It's close, though.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

The comparison isclose in the winter times like now -- but when it gets warm outdoors & inside your bore, I find there is a compound in the MMP HPH-24 that makes it a tad sticky on the plastic exterior of the sabot. It seems to soften - then stickywhere the Harvester remains more firm & drywhen heated beyond a temperature that I cannot put a finger on.

Perhaps I need to develop a bore thermometer.... bettter yet... this would be a good project for poster Underclocked!

Where is Rich?

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Thanks aquatech for the info to get hold of Harvester, and thanks to everyone else who has responded.

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sabotloader, I did a very minimal job of lapping on my Omega Z5 to get rid of some burrs and put a light polish on it so it would clean with out cutting up the patches; I can not believe how much differance it made the Shock Waves fit perfect now and load fairly easy and the Chrushribs I bought about fall down but they won't group so good as the regular I am thinking you have to have a really tight bore to shoot them good unless it just my gun. Lee

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If ya cain't put a finger on dat dern temperature - it's too hot. :D

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

lemoyne

You can get to loose! and I really believe it will effect accuracy as well as velocity.

If you are able to load the SW's now comfortably that is great. The sabot should be a MMP HPH-24. So with that sabot and any .451/452 bullet you really should be set.

I was shooting the A&H again today doing some testing. It was mid 20's in temp. The 452 Speers in HPH-24's did load tight this morning, I could still push it down the bore with my thumb and palm pressure from the other hand, but it took both hands on the range rod to seat them. 451 Speers went down piece of cake. I have used "crush ribs" in this gun but they dow fit a little to loose, but good enough for a quick second shot while hunting.

The blue MMP HPH-40 cal with a Hornady 200 grain XTP were really tight. Tight enough that I might not use them with this particular gun but I am sure they would be OK in the Remingtons or any of the Green Mountain 1/28 Hawken barrels.

Polishing the barrel with something like JB's is a good thought. Use to be I would shoot a bunch of conicals from a new barrel to smooth it out also. I would use JB's as the conical lube.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

My crush ribs came yesterday. I haven't tried them in my Omega yet . Today I noticed that the 250 gr. ShockWaves fit them alot better than the black sabots that came with the SWs. I think T/C may have screwed up and packed 44 cal sabots, the petals bulge and the bullet doesn't seat all the way into the sabot. With the crush ribs the bullet drops right in and doesn't expand the petals. Might be why they were so hard to load.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Steve

You will like the no-grunt loading with them also.

If using magnum powder charges of 777, check the condition of the blown sabot afterwards for damage or over/under petal flare... maybe even missing petals or petals with holes.

We need more reports on the Crush Ribs with 777.

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

sabotloader,They are a bit loose compared to what I normally look for, but they will group only an inch larger than the shock Waves[2 inch @100yd] which means a really fast second shot if needed. I think they have a place in my cabnet. Lee

RE: Harvester crushrib sabot
 

Triple Se7en

This is not a definenitive test, nor is it a magnum test, but I have been doing some sabot testing and Iamshooting them with 100 grains of loose T7 and there have worked very well. I recovered the sabots and the cups looked fine no stress at all. None of my rifles require the use of the "crush rib" so loadingand shooting them was strictly a thing that I wanted to try them. Because they were "somewhat" loose in the A&H, when shot they were losing about 1-200fps in velocity. In a tight boreI believe they would work well.