Bore Butter
 

Okay got things figured out about proper muzzleloading technique, now when should and what do I use bore butter for? Not sure i understand it now! [&o]

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JLmoore1956

Just posted a reply on your other thread... and again I will say do not use BB in the normal shooting routine if you are shooting sabots. I use it in the cleaning routine only...

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Thanks, think I understand now! Just got to keep the bore clean between shots and use the BB for cleaning. How do you get the barrel hot before you lube it?

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JLmoore1956

I still use water and dish soap to pre-clean the barrel... both for the inlines and the sidehammers. The inlines are a little more tricky because of the trigger group I really do not want a bunch of crude in there.

So what i will do is run a few windex patches through the barrel get them so they are coming out nearly clean then use hot soapy water with patches to scrub the barrel clean. The last process for an inline I put a small funnel in the breech, place the muzzle on the shower floorand pour clean boiling water slowly through the barrel as the final rinse. This will heat the barrel and the heat will last for quite some time allowing you to complete the other projects. Remember sub powders are surgar based and they are water soluable. The boiling water removes all previous oils, any remaining soap, and 99% of the old BB. Be sure to have clean dry patches available to dry with as soon as you can or you will get some flash rusting unless your barrel is stainless.

I do not do this process every time I shoot - I clean each gun every time i use it but I do not strip clean unless I am done with the gun for an extended period of time or the gun has been exposed to really bad weather conditions. Again this is something you will develope as you shoot.

Personal questions - are you stateside now? or still in Iraq? - I did my time in Vietnam but in the Navy... What part of the country is home?

mike

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Thanks I will remember that.

In Iraq right now....... stationed in Northern NEw York, originally from Ohio!

[8D]

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JLmoore1956

Ah gee whiz - Ohio is big time ML country - you need to get into this sport! - it is addictive and it is fun - it is a little spendy to get started and (I was going to say but after the start up coast things settle down) - but for me it has been the exact opposit - I keep finding things I need, + plus I love to experiment, and I alwaysgotta havemore guns, after all the guy with more toys - opps that should read tools of the trade wins.

Gotta go to school talk to you later

mike

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JL
Just wanted to say hi, and thank you for the great job you folks are doing for us over there. I was in the Navy for 23 years and retired Nov. 1993. I had some of my best hunting while in the military. Black Powder is a great recreation and you will meet a lot of really great people as you go on,. its the most rewarding type of hunting I know. One shot one kill. It will teach you patience, and make you a better marksman. Plus its so much fun. The feeling you get when you work up that load that gives you that one hole shot after shot load is unbelivable cause you did it yourself no one can do it for you cause every gun shoots different loads different. Anyway again I just want to thank you. And do me a favor tell another that some one from home says thanks. Mike

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Well this is just my opinion, but the bore butter is a good conical lube and that's about it. Other then that it is not worth the plastic tube it comes in. I know people use it and claim it works great to reduce fowling. And that's fine, if they like bore butter then by all means use it. Well I do not use it and can see no real benefit they are getting from the use of bore butter then I am getting without using it.

I feel most people like myself who have had bad experiences with bore butter might not have applied it properly. Now I always considered myself a knowledgeable person and one who could follow instructions, and have on different occasions tried to use bore butter the way it was explained to me. I have to admit, all my attempts have failed.

I used to be a bore butter user until the rifle's accuracy went bad andI would constantly get what I term tobacco patches, which are patches with a brown tobacco colored stain on them, come out the bore when swabbing. If your rifle is alledged to be clean, well then you should not be able to pull out a patch with tobacco colored fowling on it.

It all boils down to, I do not see the need to apply a wax type substance to my modern steel barrels to protect them,when I can protect them with a quality gun oil. Since I see no reduction in fowling using bore butter, then there is noreason to use it. I clean the rifle as I would any other center fire rifle. I then make sure the rifle does not rust by the application of a quality gun oil.

For those that use the bore butter and have good luck with it.. great, use it in your rifles. I will keep it out of mine.

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Mike thanks. Yes got to hunt in Germany and many other places. And now that I know how it should be good shooting and will meet lots of folks! And I love doing what I do! [8D]

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LET ME SAY YOU GUYS & GALS ARE DOING US PROUD
STANDING FOR FREEDOM. HAVE A NEPHEW OVER THERE
MY THOUGHTS & PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU. SPENT TWO
TOURS IN NAM SO I UNDERSTAND WHY & HOW YOU
FEEL AT TIMES. AND I LIKE SABOTLOADER, USE THE
HOT-TODY BARREL TREATMENT FOR HEAT THEN APPLY
THE BB, AND I HAVE TO SAY I THINK IT REDUCES
FOULING IN MY OMEGA. GOOD SHOOTING GOD BLESS
DANNY

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Thanks Danny, as you were I am sure, proud to be hear serving my country and making sure that everyone doesnt have to worry about 9/11 again, but just the size of the beard and antlers. To me the real heros are the ones that keep the hunting heritage alive, or fight to preserve it. I will maintain the freedom to do it, and keep supporting the ones that keep it alive! [8D]

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JLmoore1956,
"Thank You" and the rest of the troops for the GREAT job you are doing;)
We are all so proud of you guys! I hope that you're able to come home soon!
I see that you're based out of Ft. Drum, N.Y.My son isfrom the 10th Mtn. Division too. He's on his way to Afghanistan now on his 2nd tour.

I know that using bore butter is controversial andI've been using it for years and love the stuff. I even use the pre lubed patches between shots when loading tight fitting projectiles like the Barnes bullets.They load much easier and my groups tighten up. What more can a guy ask for?

Take Care of there!

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yepper, 10th Mtn, 1st BDE, your son must be with the 2nd BDE.

Guess I will have to experiment when I get back and see what happens, sure I will get it figured out! [8D]

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JLmoore1956,
"yes"You are correct.
He just finished Ranger training at Ft. Benning, Ga. We went to his Graduation Ceremony last week. It was awesome and the Ranger burgers at Ranger Joe's weregreat too.

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i have been using bore butter or maxi-lube as they called it years ago for 36 years now.i never had rust problem, i guess. i did notice that after i dried my hot barrel and bore buttered it, next day i found rust near muzzle. i dont think it was butter but FLASH RUST you talk about. yet, i dried barrel real good before i put butter in.i am leaning towards using SHEATH in barrel to store it.i believe that rust would not have showed up if i used SHEATH in barrel. i am still going to use bore butter to shoot my MAXI-BALLS and on my patchs on my roundballs.also i am going to still coat bore with bore butter during shooting andbetween shooting. but, if i am putting gunaway for months, in goes SHEATH.then before shooting i will swab out the shealth with alcohol patchs and wipe in bore butter and shoot. what do you think?

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Well I personally think switching to Sheath is a good idea. As for before you shoot, wiping the Sheath out with an alcohol patch is fine, but why then smear the bore butter back into it? Shoot from a clean barrel. Unless you like bore butter in the barrel then by all means smear away....

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sproulman

Just as point to mention, you probably already know that I continue to use BB in my barrel care routine. But I think I mentioned the last process after the barrel has cooled to room temp is to run a couple of clean patches down the barrel to get the last of the excess BB then use a high quality oil such as sheath or Break Free Clp to oil the whole thing inside and out. That might help those areas that may be missed. Remember I am not using real BP. If I were using real BP I would stay away from the oils as recommended by TC and others.

But also remember the quote is by the company selling BB. I do not use real BP so I can not accurately so whether this is a fact or not.

anda few sentences before this information it recommends NOT using BB with a sabot barrel at least not lubricating the sabot with BB. To maintain a dry bore for sabots.

So it really comes down to what works for you and your gun..

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opps!

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This subject comes up here every few months. Folks using it must learn by their mistakes with it. Make no mistakes& you are off the hook. Make a mistake & your bore will turn to rust.

Once you make a rifle-storing preparation mistake with Bore Butter, I can guarantee you that you will never use it again.

Use gun oils for best protection. Use gun oils because they allow you to make moisture-barrel preparation mistakes & the bore still will not rust while checking it periodically.

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I use bore butter after cleaning to keep lubed, as well as for lubing my barrel for the first shot.

The barrel on my hawkins is a bit oversized so when I load up my first shot, I swab the bore clean with alchohol, load the powder and bullet, then run a patch of bore butter down the barrel again in front of the load. The last swab of bore butter does the same thing as a fouling shot, somy first shot hits where all the others do. I use bore butter instead of a foulingshot so that I can leave my ML loadedall season instead of cleaning it every time I go out hunting.

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im thinking. its hard to break me of the bore butter.from your opinion ,you cant really think of good reason to use bore butter in bore other than lubing a maxi-ball.

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I guess I'm one of the lucky bore butter users...many muzzleloaders, many years, it's all I've ever used...I do think that OxYoke who manufacturs it(and the other company labels it's sold under) should do a better job ofhighlighting how it should be used.

PS:
Just as a FYI...I've alsolearned over the years that there's not enough bore butter in shooting patches to allow me to shoot an entire range sessions in the dry/low humidity conditions without wiping the bore occasionally....so I've been experimenting with Hoppe's No9 BP PlUS as it's a semi liquid and makes a "wetter" patch...so far it's beenfantastic for weekend shootingthis winter.

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I have no intention of breaking you or anyone elsefrom using bore butter. I could care less if you use bore butter. Your rifles, your decision. Use up all the bore butter in the world. You will have no competition from me trying to buy it out from under you. I just have no use for it. I have two tubes around the house. They will probably never be used up.

When people ask my opinion of the product or any product for that matter, I will be blunt. I have no use for the stuff. As a conical lube it works good. As a wax smear in my rifle, never again. I even gave the stuff a second chance. And believe me I tried my best to follow roundball's and sabotloader's instructions on how to use it. I still got the tobacco patches eventually. I decided not to wait around for the rifle to head south as I saw no advantage in using it and I can treat it with Birchwood Casey Sheath a lot faster and with much more confidence...

Good luck in your bore butter use.

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Good gracious...only two tubes left? Now I know what to get you for Christmas !!
:D:D:D

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Cayugad,
I'm a die hard bore butter man going back more years than I care to think about. What I findironic is that I'm trying out the Sheath now for the 1st time. I have no faith in it yet, but I set aside one ML for this test. The judge is still out, but so far so good;)

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You know how it is when Wal Mart has their end of the season sales.. even though I don't need it I buy it. That's why I have 12 bore brushes, eight loading jags, a couple range rods, and the list gets worse from there. :D

Triple Se7en the poster some time back suggested I try Sheath. I was a Rem Oil with Teflon user most of the time. Well he always gave me good advise, so I tried it. I have never looked back. Not only does it protect excellent, but I like the smell as well. I just got some Kroll Oil the other day (it was on sale..[&o] what can I say) and that's some interesting oil too. It is supposed to remove lead, so we will see....

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well, i guess your last roundball to use BORE BUTTER.ha,i was at range during deer season i saw no one but me using the bore butter.very strange feeling too. most were using roundballs and powerbelts.most only shoot at hunting season each year too. most said BORE BUTTER freezes and they hated that.most swabed with alcohol patchs.none used the no.13 patch or lube as i used, it freezes too.but i shoot maxi-balls , so i use bore butter to lube.no BORE BUTTER in my gun for storage or after washing it with water but, i am debating to give my tube to charity here,ha. but, how would i use my MAXI-BALLS with bore butter.

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you need the bore butter to shoot the maxi ball. Have fun with it. Who cares what other people use..as long as it makes you happy.

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Cayugad,
I've used Kroil Oil at work and homefor yearsand it's great as a penetrating oil for breaking rusty bolts loose. Iown a1922Model T Touring Car andit's been a life saver for meworking on this car. I neverknew that you could use it for taking lead out of barrels. It's pretty strong stuff and I'll bet it works. Why didn't I think of it earlier. Keep us posted. Iguess you'renever to old to learn something new.