Question on Musket Caps
 

I have a T/C hawken. It uses no. 11 caps. If I wanted to use Musket Caps, what would I need to do to convert and where do I get what I would need?

Would it be worth it?

Happy Hunting, Phil

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Change the nipple to a musket nipple is all that is required, but I don't think it's required.

Frankly I've never needed a musket cap after tens ofthousands of shots

RWS Dynamit-Nobel #1075 caps. Exceptional performance.

Just keep the nipple clear with a nipple pick every few shots more or less depending on how fouling a powder your shooting.

Just curious but what powder are you shooting?

Tahquamenon

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I shoot Goex 3f and recently Pinnacle 3f. Planning to try the BlackMag3. Was thinking, maybe, the Musket cap would be better for igniting Pinnacle and BM3 in the hawken.

Happy Hunting, Phil

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Pglasgow

I communicated with Speer/CCI about this very question they really did not supply me with all the details or the information I wanted but....

CCI #11 are cooler than any cap
CCI #11 Magnum caps are at the same temp as the Musket cap, but are a little short on duration - essentiall no difference between the two.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

RWS Dynamit-Nobel #1075 caps
Tahquamenonhave you ever tried the 1075 + plus caps,these are super hot

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

lone wolf said:

RWS Dynamit-Nobel #1075 caps
Tahquamenonhave you ever tried the 1075 + plus caps,these are super hot

Went to Cabelas to look for 'em and they don't have 'em. Can you or Taqhuamenon recommend where to order them?

Thanks, Phil

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I was thinking about doing the same thing. I decided to go with RWS Dynamite-Nobel #1075 caps. I need to shoot off the cap of CCI then I will swithch. Are the 1075 + caps hotter or different?

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Phil, if you want hotter, get a MAGSPARK primer adapter for your rifle and use No. 209 primers. These work!

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I use musket caps, but just because they are easier to handle for me.

Paul

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I agree-they are easier to handle-especially with cold, stiff fingers!

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

After thousands of rounds shot off ontraditional and inline rifles, I used a lot of different caps. I think the RWS Dynamite Noble 1075 are the best on the market followed by the CCI magnum caps. I have a musket nipple and musket caps at the house but have used them only on rare occasion testing some loads with an inline rifle.

Years ago the one cap to STAY AWAY from were the Remington Caps. But it is my understanding they have improved them since. I use them when there are no other caps around.

The one thing I did hear about when going to musket caps is they can cause stress on the hammer springs. Whether this is true, I could not say from practical experience. If Thompson Center feels there is no problem doing it with their rifles then I would not worry so much. Also musket caps tend to fall off more then any other cap or primer.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

To All

Cold, big fingers shouldn't be a problem use a capper takes the cap out of your fingers - the cappers are so easy to use and there are a ton of different ones out there.

Pglasgow address for caps

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000622105209

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

i converted my thompson center new englander years ago to musket caps. i think there is way more flame and the musket caps are easier to handle. i would call thompson center for the replacement nipple part number. with pyrodex i feel lock up is faster but find it no more reliable than a good ole #11 cap. . if your looking to try something new give it a try. i have never herd of a 209 primer conversion for a caplock.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

i never heard of musket caps falling off easier. my musket caps have petal slots in them that you can give a slight sqeeze and they form fit nice and tight to the shape of the musket cap. its a nice set up!

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

that's probably true liquidorange.. I have only played with them on the range and never hunted with them. I also never took the time to squeeze then closed onto the nipple. In fact I load them from a straight line capper and leave it at that.

I am impressed with the amount of flame they do put out. I have some CCI musket caps and they really pop when I shoot them in the Black Diamond.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

liquidorange

It is my feeling that musket caps do not fit the nipple as tight as #11's but that problem is easily taken care by squeezing the wings just a little.

Again the handling proble seems to be the prime mover here but I guess I do not understand why you are handling them in the first place. In a capper they are stored and ready for use - you just push the cap down on the nipple with the capper and pull it away. I would have diffiuculty handling any of them duringthe hunting season - #11's, Musket, or 209's - heck half the time I have gloves on.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I use musket caps exclusively in both of my Black Diamonds. Easier to handle, and I could swear I read somewhere awhile back that they provided a whole bunch more flame than any #11 cap. I machined a little groove in the nipple and then pinch the petals a little with my fingers to get a tight fit. With heavier charges they open up like a fan blade and literally fall off when I re-cock the striker.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Roskoe

I agree you read that all over because iniatially they did provide a heck of a lot more heat than a #11. But with the advent of the #11 Magnum cap that gap is really reduced. The 1075 plus probably breeches that gap.

I did e-mail CCI tech people just to ask that very question, I really wish I had kept a copy, I honestly do not know who replied, heck it could have been a receptionist, but the indication was the creation of the #11 magnum cap was to reduce the gap of power and heat between the two caps.

Someone once mention about conducting sometests - shooting #11 mags and musket caps into sawdust to see which one created the greatest disturbance to the sawdust - they concluded the #11 Mag won. I realize this is a backyard test and I could add my own experiance with a TC Hawkin and trying to shoot at 20 below zero. The gun had been out all day - had not shot it until we got back to the vehicle - touched the musket cap off - it went bang but the gun didn't - it was really cold. Installed a #11 nipple - appled the cap *bang-instant boom it could have been just a coincident but made me a believer...

I am not trying to be a smart alleck (sp) but how do you "Handle" the musket caps in the field? Do you mean in between your fingers and place it on the nipple stem?

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

My Tedd Cash capper fits over 75 caps and is very nice to have. I it would be nice to go to musket caps. I just dont want to get a new wrench and nipple. Some day I might try them. I think a good #11 is enough.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

I used to own a Knight T-bolt 50 cal. The rifle came with nipples for #11 and musket caps. I used 100 gr. of loose Pyro RS and 240 gr. Hornady XTP sabots. I couldn't get acceptable groups with the musket caps, the # 11 caps shot nice tight groups. Both caps were RWS. A side from that I never had ignition problems with either cap.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Yes, the RWS#1075 Plusare hotter. I keep forgetting to reference the "Plus +". The#1075 "plus +" version is all I shoot. Sorry for the confusion.

Good place to buy on the web:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000622105209

Or retailers in your area:
http://www.dnrws.com/retailers/index.html

Tahquamenon

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Hi Phil,

I'm not sure about Pinnacle as I have not shot any yet, but you will have no trouble at all with Black Mag'3 ignition.

BM'3 is proabobly has the best ignition characteristics of any substitute powder I've ever shot.

According to Magkor, supposedly Black Mag'3 has an ignition temperature of 345 C (653 F)while black powder ignites at 300 C (572 F).

Hodgdon MSDSPyrodex ignition temperature is 393 C (740 F).
Hodgdon MSDS 777 ignition temperature is 410 C (770 F).

I can't say for sure but BM'3 ignites very well.

Tahquamenon

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Tahquamenon and everyone,

Thanks a bunch for the experienced comments on my question:). It sure is nice to rely on someone else's experience instead of learning the hard way;). I plan to get the 1075 caps and won't be adapting for the musket caps. Again, thanks,I appreciate it greatly.

Happy Hunting, Phil

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Thanks! I was at Sportsmans warehouse the other day and they do have the plus. So do they burn hotter than the CCI Mags? And how close to musket caps? If I start shooting Goex like I plan with those RWS#1075 Pluscaps then that will be very reliable.

RE: Question on Musket Caps
 

Another plus of the RWS#1075 caps is that they are pretty waterproof. We dropped several brands of #11 caps in a cup of water and left them there for about 1/2 hour. Only the RWS went bang. Tried this later with the Musket caps, and both the CCI and the RWS gave reliable ignition.