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sabotloader: I'm using a New Frontier Beartooth (purchased from Cabela's). It's a .50 inline. I didn't get the packaged bullet/sabot combos, but bought a box of .44 cal 300 gr. XTP's. I tried Knight, Hornady and Harvester Sabots - all with the same results - VERY difficult loading. I should probably try a different bullet - perhaps one that is slightly smaller diameter. I don't remember the exact size of the XTP, butI think it's .430. I bought some 295 gr PowerBelts because the season was upon me and I hadn't found anything that would load easily enough for hunting. They loaded great and shot well out to 100 yds (the extent of the range I was on). I am using 2 - 50 gr pyrodex pellets.
I also got some great plains conicals, and they loaded OK - just a little hard to get started.
I guess I don't know which sabots are the thinner ones.

pglasgow: That picture I posted was from Cabela's - I didn't see any PowerBelt 444 gr flat points. All they showed were the lead hollow points, jacketed hollow points (including those with plastic in the cavities) and the dangerous game bullets. I'll have to look again a little closer.
Thanks for the help.

IM jaybe :)

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jaybe,

Go to http://powerbeltbullets.com I am sure they can help you find a retailer. Sorry.

Happy Hunting, Phil

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jaybe

I am surprised that the Beartooth has that tight of a barrel and part of that might be the .430 bullet.

There are not as many sabot options in the 44 caliber as there is in the 45 cal. but there is one option. Harvester now makes a new sabot called a "crush rib" if you have a vendor I would suggest you try some of them. MMP is actually making a thinner 44cal sabot for TC but I do not think it is on the open market yet. The last time I talked to Del Ramsey about this I am not sure what the correctanswer was. I am going to follow up one of these days.

http://www.claybusterwads.com/harvester.html

They do make a .429/.430 crush rib

Another sugestion would be to try some .452 (45 cal) 250 Grain XTP's with an MMP HPH-24 sabot. I know that .451/.452 bullets do not have the BC's that 44 cals do but over the short range of an ML they 45 work very well.

http://www.mmpsabots.com/

I do not owm a Beartooth - but I really think that a HPH-24 50 cal sabot and bullet combination would go down fairly easy. The crush rib would again be the thinnest.

I would not want you spend a bunch of money on these experiments but I am fairly sure they would work, and again I would suggest 45 cal vs 44 cal.

I do load all of my guns with thumb pressure - no short starter involved. If you would like to use sabots I think you could. Again going from what I think I know the Beartooth barrel should be an "extruded Spanish Barrel" and while my CVA Firebolt is tight I do use sabots in it.

Good luck - let me know

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The 444 gr. Powerbelts are shown in the Cabela's shooting catalog supplement. Product number is XS-21-4282 Code: 490. They shot well for me with 100 gr. of Pyrodex and 85 gr. of 2F Triple 7.

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I shot a buck, using a 345 gr. aerotip pushed with 115 grs. of 3f/trip. 7. I was shooting an Omega, at about 40 yds. It killed the buck but the bullet completely came apart, not even leaving a mark on the oppisite side, I believe that I woluld have had a wounded deer if I would have hit the shoulder instead of the ribs. I am going to use something else next year,probably a Barnes (if my gun shoots them acurately) Good hunting.

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mayguy

Just a side note for you, since I am not much on buying those really exspensive bullets - can not shoot them for fun. And you are showing an interest in another bullet, take a look at the new Spreer Gold .452 - 300 grain or the 250 grain. The ballistics on the 300 are outstanding. These are bonded bullets much like the BearClaw bonded bullets that have been so successful. I have shot a lot of them at targets at various ranges out to 150 yards they do work. I have recovered some that I shot into a sand bank - they stay together the bonding works - the lead does not separate from the copper. I do not have a picture of an expanded one at this computer but if you are interested I could post one. Actually Cur-dog got the picture so I should give him credit.

take care

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Here is a link for the 444's at cabelas: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0012630214282a&type=product&cm Cat=search&returnString=hasJS=true&_D%3Aha sJS=+&QueryText=powerbelt&_DARGS=%2Fcabela s%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.22&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mod e+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=powerbelt&noImage =0&returnPage=search-results1.jsp

They are listed under the hollowpoints, but just scroll down and you will see them with an * meaning they are not hollowpoint. They offer them in copper plating and lead.

I actually didn't think that they were produced any more, but I guess they are. The only 2 elk I have killed with a muzzleloader were taken with this bullet. In fact theywere the only bullets they produced the first fewyears they were in business. I am pretty sure that the hollow points were in response to hunters using the flat points and telling the company that they were getting complete pass throughs without ANY expansion. I know that was true on a bull elk I killed. I shot him through the chest and it passed through both lungs and the heart. The exit hole was no bigger than the entrance hole. This was with the copper plating. However, I did not hit any bone. Sounds like a bullet failure right???? NOT. The bull turned around 180 degrees, took 1 step and fell over. Bottom line is that a 50 caliber hole through the chest is deadly with or without expansion. Would like a little expansion, and I think that powerbelts felt like adding the hollowpoint/aerotips were the answer. Not sure it was.

Making me think about going back to the 444's. Question is pure lead or copper plated? I am also going to try the no excuses 460 gr bullets.

To top that off, I just got a pound of BM3. Going to try it out in my Omega. Will probably start about 85 grains and see how those two shoot.

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txhunter58,

Will you please report on how the BM3 performs? Are the ballistics (velocities)on the website realisitic?

Happy Hunting, Phil

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I tried BM3 and it was, at least, 200fps faster than T7. I had some accuracy problems and some large diffrences in velocity, from shot to shot. It is very clean and I am going to experiment with it some more(different grs. of powder and different bullets). You only get a little white residue when you patch between shots. It was quite warm(nearly 80 deg.) when I tried it. I am going to try again in cool weather.

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Have you thought about the 405 gr. Powerbelt? I got some expansion out of the 444 gr. in wet phone books, but it wasn't a lot (the front 1/3 of the bullet) and a shot through the ribs might not create enough resistance tofacilitate any expansion. There is one local guy here that went to the 405 gr. Powerbelt (for elk) a couple of years ago. He has only taken one elk with it, and was favorably impressed. Carries the mushroomed bullet, that was found just under the hide on the off side, around in his pocket. Looks like nearly 100% weight retention. I keep meaning to try this bullet, but haven't gotten around to it so far.

I kinda settled in on the 410 gr. Hornady Great Plains - fairly inexpensive and shoot real well ahead of a MMP Ballistic Bridge sub base. I don't think they expand a bunch either - but the results are hard to dispute. It puts animals on the ground pretty efficiently.

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mayguy wrote:

"I tried BM3 and it was, at least, 200fps faster than T7. I had some accuracy problems and some large diffrences in velocity, from shot to shot. It is very clean and I am going to experiment with it some more(different grs. of powder and different bullets). You only get a little white residue when you patch between shots. It was quite warm(nearly 80 deg.) when I tried it. I am going to try again in cool weather.

That is incredible. I have read that weighing charges helps with the velocity distributions. This powder is as close to smokeless at we may ever get. It has an incredible amount of energy in it and, I think, should be used with a little more caution. But overall its slower burning nature and broader pressure curves are supposed to subject our muzzleloaders to less pressure than equal volumes of blackpowder.

Come on, did you clock them? What was the average for the 460 and the 444?

Happy Hunting, Phil

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1 - yes
2 - yes
3 - yes? (haven't recovered bullets, but did get a deer this year)
4 - i have been able to get good groups (only sighting in at 50 yds) with BP; didn't have as good of luck with sabots

I have always been a bit skeptical of the copper hollow points, but still use them. I would like to see them come out with a lead jacketed hollow point (like you might see in a .44 cal bullet) or simply a lead nosed bullet (like a rifle cartridge). just seems like they would work well (better?)

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Roskoe: Yes, my best elk load to date was 95 grains 777 with a 405 powerbelt aerotip. However, haven't been able to get one into an elk yet.

I am torn between going back to the 444 grain flat nose and sticking with the 405 aerotip. The only bull I have killed with a flat nose on a double lung/heart shot had an exit hole that was no better than the entrance. However two things made me think that was ok. First a 50 caliber hole through the chest is probably bigger than any 30-06 wound channel, and the elk took only 1 step and went down for good.

Just thinking it might be better to have a more bone crunching bullet if I had a not so good placement. Anyway, I am going to see how they shoot.

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This is a very informative thread. I'm glad that the 250gr. Shockwaves work in my ML. I have taken two deer with it and they didn't complain. I can also load at least three of them without cleaning the barrel. I'm lucky I guess. One of the deer that I shot was a neck shot towards the back of the head and 3" section of the spine was convered to dust and goo. So I feel like the Shockwaves would do find on a shoulder blade.

Tom

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A poster put up a picture of what a 250 grain Shockwave did to the shoulder of a moose. After seeing the hole through that and how is shattered everything, I was more then impressed with their ability to penetrate. Of couse he was shooting an Omega with 150 grains of pellets. That's a strong load. I think 100 grains and that same bullet would have no problem on a deer... Congrats on the deer.

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Hi Sabotloader,

Question #1 - How many of you use PowerBelts because of the ease of loading? I would offer that this is the main reason why most folks use them. They are "easy" and blend nicely into the marketing fold of the modern muzzleloader. I am not picking on Powerbelt because they have certainly come up with a better mousetrap from a sales perspective. But I would say easy is the main reason. Perhaps that's a good reason?

Question #2 - How many of you use PowerBelts because of the ease of loading the follow-up shots... (when you do not have time to run a damp patch)?I'm sure folks are carrying speedloaders with powerbeltsbecause of a fast follow-up shot. This is somewhat marketing-speak, because what is fast in muzzleloading terms? You can load any other slip-fit conical just as fast. I can load a PRB pretty fast from a loading block. The fast MLfollowup is really a myth for many (if not most?)hunting situations. You still need to go through the motions of loading, de-priming and re-priming and then target aquisition and while all of this is going on the intended game is supposed to be just standing there waiting, which does in fact happen. But it only takes a couple of seconds for a missed or poor shot to result in a lost opportunity. Even with an autoloader.

All this said, I do typically carry a slip-fit conical of some flavor (normally a HornadyGreat Plains) for a quicker second shot. In the event I would need a second or finishing shot. I have yet to need a fast followup shot with exception to more than one animal opportunity. In those instances I was still able to load either a sabot or a PRB quick enough to be able to down an additional animal. The beasts cooperated in the those instances by not even knowing where I was on the initial shot and just stood there. On other occassions, I could have had an autoloader and the opportunity would have still dissapeared.

I don't buy into the "fast followup marketing". Yes you can with practice and the correct equipment and preparation rapidly reload. Along the same lines as pellets (of which I am not a fan). Pellets are supposed to save us huge amounts of time in loading and re-loading.

Question #3 - How many of you use PowerBelts because of their performance, both down range and their peformance on bringing the animal down? I have heard quite a few stories of Powerbelts not performing well on game. Excessive fragmentation is one routine comment and in-adequate penetration is the other. I have actually seen the excessive fragmentation and the poor penetration on four different deer. These could all be attributed to poor shot placement which is an essential element. But I doubt this is the case in all cases and certainly not in the deer I helped recover and one deer that I killed with a PRB afterit had been first shot in the shoulderwith a 295gr Powerbelt. I feel that the Powerbelt is among the worst performing projectiles from a consistancy standpoint. I would say in the lighter grains not even as effective as a PRB. At least I know that a PRB will penetrate. You can't always say that about a lighter weight powerbelt. Not much data to back that statement up though, just what I have seen in the field after kills and heard on the web. But Ibelieve there are vastly greater performing projectiles. The trade-off is the greatest performing projectiles don't load as easy as the powerbelt.

As you can likely gather, I am not a fan of the Powerbelt. But I am not saying they are not a good product because their ease of usehas many more folks hunting with ML's that would have given up on muzzleloading due to a lack of patience and effort. I don't mind that muzzleloading takes more effort. That's one of the things that I love and cherishabout it.

I have shot them on occassion when folks have given me somefor targeting fun and now and then I will toss a 348gr Aerotip along with 80gr or so of loose for my second shot. One that is only for finishing, not for accuracy or my one shot.

I have not purchased any Powerbelts, but I have shot about200 or soof them that were given to me in various weights in several different rifles.

If I were to hunt with one, I would hunt with either the 348 or the 405 grain Aerotip as I have seen kills with those that have performed much better with a blend of penetration and expansion.

1) I have had issues with powerbelts not releasing the "skirt" and theneither key-holing down range or accuracy shift on POI. I have found skirts at 100 yards at my range. For this reason alone I don't trust them. Plus the accuracy has not been as good as with other projectilesat the higher velocities that I like to hunt with. I find that you can only push Powerbelts so fast and then they "strip" the rifling.
2) I suspect that Powerbelts are too soft and fragment too much. I prefer a more conrolled expansion and more consistant penetration. I prefer a PRB (Patched Roundball)over a powerbelt.
3) Because they are really slip-fit (in some of my rifles they will all but drop to the breech), that upon inital firing, they raise off of the powder charge. This could be where I could have had accuracy inconsistancy.
4) After contacting Powerbelt regarding some accuracy issues I was having, they suggested that I shoot them from a fouled bore. They do seem to POI better on a fouled bore. The only problem for me is, that in 36 years I have never hunting on a fouled or otherwise dirty bore. The POI that I rely on is from a clean bore. I detail clean with alcohol-windex patches in-between each shot when working on hunting loads regardless of the rifle or the load (PRB, Conical or Sabot). I find my best consistant POI accuracy from a clean bore.
5) Powerbelt is owned by Blackpowder ProductsIncorporated, the same giant that owns CVA. Ordinarily this would not make any difference to me. But I am not a fan of CVA or BPI. Thus not a fan of Powerbelt either and would not recommend nor purchase any of their products regardless if they were the greatest thing on earth.

I'm sure that my comments could be taken as Powerbelt bashing. Which is not what I intend. I do think they are a hugely successful product in sales and general performance and do offer folks a fairly easy loading alternative which for some folks is the ticket. A dear friend of mine shoots the 348gr Aerotip on 95gr 777 FFG from his Knight MK-85. Why? Because after a terrible shoulder injury, he has great painful difficulty loading everything else and the 348PBelt was the only projectile he and I could find(I did most ofthe testing for him) thatthe easiest for him to load and still hold decent accuracy. He has harvested three bucks and one bear with the 348gr Pbelt.

Regards,

:)

Tahquamenon

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I clocked them with a chronograph,I also hand load handgun ammo. I don't have any of the info from my tests (got thrown away buy accident). I didn't try any of the ones you asked about. I did try one heavy bullet, 375gr. Buffalo Bullet, this is just what I think I remember about the vel.---- 110grs. BM3, about 1900fps out of my Omega. When the weather clears up I will try it again and report my findings. I remember it was always faster than 777 with equal weights of powder and bullet. I am going to try weighing some charges and see if that helps the spread. GOOD HUNTING

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Tahquamenon

Excellent, well writtenresponse. You shared a lot of the thoughts that I do not have the ability to write.

Most of my point is or was that in todays world we do not have to shoot PB's just for the ease of loading the different variety of sabots that are available make loading a lot easier + there are really some really decent slip conicals out there. It is my belief that eiter of these alternative would offer a better all around projectile than a PB.

Thank you for your editorial

mike

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Yes to all three. I've never had any issues with PB's. The deer I have taken with them were all recovered with 80% dropping in place and the rest running no more than 40 yards. If it isn't broke why fix it?

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Firehawk7309

And that is my error and not one of my questions - if they work for you and you are satisfied - use em.

But on the other hand if we all accepted what we have as the best - there would be no need for invention or investigation. So that makes me an offender of the this very point - Nosler Partitions are the best so I look for no other projectile in crunch time. The only reason I shoot other projectiles is I can not afford to shot Noslers for everthing and certainly somebody must make a projectile that is as good but cost a whole lot less - and I am hoping the Gold Dot is that projectile - but I will still shoot Noslers at elk.

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doughboysigep

Those type of bullets are out there - You will need to look in the rifle bullet sections for .458 (45/70) rifle bullets - Speer makes a really good one - actually 3 as does Sierra and Hornady. Nosler makes a partition both in .451 and .458 that is a protected point (flat nose). I shoot both of these during elk season they are very accurate from my ML's and they do carry a big bump at the target.

When I get home tonight I will post a picture of these different offerings.

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From my 50 cal Omega, I have worked up an exceptional load for elk although I have yet to try it on an Elk.

300gr Hornady SST, 115gr Black Mag'3 (was 120gr but the accuracy is not quite as good at 115)and a WIN 209 primer. I have shot a few deer with this load and am confident that this would also blister the daylights out of an Elk. I have no idea as to how fast this is moving, but it's fast and knock a deer literally off it's feet.

I have dozens of ML's and each one with exception to my ML's1:60"+ rifled barrels (of which I only shoot PRB's) I have at least two loads for each riflebut sometimes as many as five different projectile/powderloads that would be suitable for various hunting or targeting/plinkingsituations. Each one has a pet Whitetail load that is the most accurate and then a big/dangerous game load that is the most accurate.

That is one of the great things about muzzleloading is you have many choices to choose from. Plus I like to have alternative projectile and powder choices depending on availability. I don't want to end up in the scenario where I would need to buy more of a Pet load only to have a issue obtaining same powder or projectile. Then in crunch time before hunting season scrambling to figure out something that will not only shoot well but also deliver reasonable performance.

Although now that I have said that, I could always carry a rifle and load combo that I did have on hand.

I typically hunt with a different ML on each day unless I am in a remote area and then I may alternate between two different rifles unless I am on foot then I only carry one.

Tahquamenon

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that's my favorite when I want to put a lot of lead down range from a sabot,with excellent accuracy. They are a Remington .458 diameter Flat Point. They weight 405 grains and I shoot them with 100 grains of powder. I also make/cast them in pure lead. What they hit really takes a thump.

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mayguy wrote:

I did try one heavy bullet, 375gr. Buffalo Bullet, this is just what I think I remember about the vel.---- 110grs. BM3, about 1900fps out of my Omega.

Wow! That is right in-line with the website's claims. Almost 3000 ft-lbs at the muzzle. To be honest, I thought they were joshing. It doesn't seem so expensive now. A guy can use lesser charges and still get the velocities of their old "dirtier" substitutes, for not too much extra money. OR get the performance you just posted which isn't possible with the others.

A note of caution. I compared their 45-70 load with other loads at hodgdon's website. I was amazed to find that BM3 is producing results I though were comparable to Varget. For example, 50 grains (by weight)Varget propelled a 405 grain bullet to 1718 fps at CUP 20,900 and energy of 2630 ft-lbs. 65 grains of BM3 (by weight) propells a 435 grain bullet to 1864 fps and energy of 3325 ft-lbs. The BM3 load has 26% more energy using 30% more powder. These two powders are similar in their performance, not exact mind you, but Magkor doesn't publish pressures and Im doing the best I can here.

If i were a betting man, I would guess the BM3 45-70 load several thousand psi above the lighter Varget load. Well above 21,000 anyway. The BlackMag site suggests the powder works well in .45 and .50 caliber rifles with 400+ grain projectiles with charges of 100 to 120 grains[:o]by volume. DON'T DO THAT IN .45 CAL. UNTIL MORE IS KNOWN.

Being BM3 is of the same class of powder as pinnacle, I made a make shift calculation using hpmuzzling.com's conversion table to calculate the volume of the charge inmagkor's 45-70 load. The answer? Approximately 80 grains by Volume. The heaviest muzzleloading bullets for 45 cal. i know of are 360 grains. But if I were asked to guess the pressure of 80 grains (volume) of BM3 and a 360 grain projectile in a .45 caliber muzzleloader I would suggest over 22,000 psi. I don't know how much over. But only GODknows how high the pressure would go if one would put 120 grains of BM3 and a 360 grain conical in a .45 caliber muzzleloader.

I emailed the Magkor folks a couple of weeks ago about the excerpt below which is in their FAQ:

The above is just an example. We have found that Black Mag’3® also yields exceptional performance with powder charges from 100 to 120-grain in rifles of .45 to .50 calibers. In fact, because of its unique burning characteristics, charges in this range will yield higher velocities with heavy bullets in the 400 grain range.

I told them my concerns. I received an email saying that my concerns were being forwarded to another department and would be contacted later. I've not heard from them yet.

Just wanted to caution against high volume load in .45 cal. until more is known.

Happy Hunting, Phil

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There are 6 dead deer in this picture. I know,you can only see 5 but there are 6,the 6th one might still be in my truck when I took this picture?
3 were shot with a TC Omega 50 cal,100 grains(pellets) and 295-300 grain TC Shockwaves?(not my gun)
One was shot with a TC Renegade/Sharon 1 in 72" twistbarreled 58 cal,90 grains of fffg Goex and a patched round ball(my gun)
One was shot with a CVA Optima Pro 50 cal,100 grains Pryodex Select and 245 grain Powerbelt(my gun)
One was shot with a CVA Kentucky Rifle 45 cal, 80 grains of Pryodex and a patched round ball(I worked up
the load for this gun about 15 years ago for my main hunting partner)

They all look about the same amount of dead to me;)

The one that went the farthest after the shot was one of them shot with the 300 Shockwave(poor shot placement,wasn't me) well over 200 yards and required another shot to finish the job

The 58 dropped it in it's tracks
The Powerbelt, about 30 yards
The other 2 with the Shockwave,one went about 30 yards, the other about 50
The 45,about 25 yards


This is how my CVA Optima Pro groups the 245 Powerbelts
The 2 on the right that are just about touching each other were before I adjusted the scope a little,then BINGO
Way less than a 3" group(as was stated by someone else) at 100 yards.
If you move the last shot back over with the other two it would be about 1 1/2"-2" group at 100 yards.

I love the way they load,I love the way they shoot and I love the way they work on deer.

I actually like the 58 the best,it was my Grandpa's gun, It was given to me after he passed away back in 88
I have hunted with it,with the same load every year since 89. I have killed an average of at least 2 deer with it every year since. I love that gun!

Prior to that I used a 45 cal TC Hawken with 90 grains of FFFG Goex and a patched .445 ball
Killed deer every year with it too. My Grandpa helped me(ok, he did most of it)build it out of a kit when I was 12.

Soooo, I see all this "debate" over what bullet a little silly.(by the way,my Dad is tougher than any of your Dads:D)
I am lucky I guess but I have never lost a deer shot with any of my ML guns/loads in 25 years of hunting.


Take a look at the top picture again, can you tell which deer is the most dead?

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I figured out the missing deer from the picture.
Here she is,

I forgot I didn't shoot her til Tuesday of that week
This is the Powerbelt one.
Looks dead to me.

I shot another one that evening with the CVA and Powerbelt,dropped it in his tracks.

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Buellhunter,

Nice display of venison!

Were they all double-lung shot?

Another question regards to deer processing.Do you skin your deer while they are still warm? I always have and was just curious. I find that skinning is a simple and easy task when the carcass is still warm.

Great hunt!!

Tahquamenon

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I HAVE USED THE POWERBELTS, TRIED TO FIND ONE
THAT WOULD GROUP IN MY kNIGHT 50CAL. JUST
COULD NOT FIND ONE THAT WOULD HIT A 4X4 PIECE
OF PLYWOOD AT 50YDS. YES THEY WILL LOAD EASY.
THIS PAST YEAR I TOOK A 178LB. FIVE POINT WITH
MY BEARTOOTH MAGNUM IN 45CAL. IT IS DEADLY
ACCURATE OUT TO APPROX. 100 YDS. I SHOT THIS
BUCK AT 40YDS HEAVY TIMBER, BEHIND THE SHOULDER
HE RAN FULL OUT FOR 75YDS. THEN FELL INTO A
DEEP GULLY. THE ONLY WAY I LNEW FOR SURE HE
WENT DOWN IS I HEARD HIM TUMBLING DOWN IN
THE LEAVES. GOT LUCKY AND FOUND HIM.
BEHIND THE SHOULDER THE ENTRANCE HOLE WAS
ABOUT THE SIZE OF A MARBLE COULD NOT REALLY
FIND THE EXIT. THIS BUCK RAN FOR 75YDS LEFT
NO BLOOD TRAIL, WHEN I FOUND HIM HE WAS UP
AGAINST A TREE ENTRANCE HOLE FACING UP, BUT
NO BLOOD COMING FROM THE HOLE. THIS PAST
WEEKEND I TRIED SOME 50CAL. HOLLOWPOINTS IN
MY NEW OMEGA, THEY LOADED EASY BUT THE ACCURACY
WASN'T VERY GOOD. SO I GUESS IF THE PB'S WORK
FOR YOU, AND YOU DON'T MIND THE COST, THEN
YOU PPROBABLY LIKE THEM. I AM SURE THAT THE
TC 250GR. SHOCKWAVES WILL BE MY LOAD FOR
WHITETAIL. JUST FOR INFO. I'M 59 YEARS OLD AND
STARTED HUNTING WITH MY DAD WHEN I WAS 9.
MY FIRST ML. WAS AND OLD KY. LONG RIFLE KIT
FROM DIXIE GUNWORKS. I REALLY THINK THAT WE
ALL BECOME A PART OF OUR FAVORITE ML. AND THAT
OUR FAVORITE ML IN TURN BECOMES A PART OF US.
THE BEST LOAD FOR YOUR ML. IS THAT ONE THAT
YOU HAVE SHOT MANY TIMES AT THE RANGE AND
THAT YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN. JUST MY OPNION.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE PICTURES OF ANY
DEER TAKEN WITH THE TC SHOCKWAVES.
GOOD LUCK......GOOD HUNTING.......GOD BLESS

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here's what was left og the lungs of that doe.

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Another one drops to a Powerbelt

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Happy truck!
Blood on the tailgate makes my truck happy!

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Can you spot the buck watching me?


Another good weekend!


Another Happy truck!

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Just a question, buellhunter - how fast were you going in reverse when you hit that deer with your truck? :D

IM jaybe :)

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Yes, I found your buck! It was not that easy!!! :)

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I bought some of the 300 gr Gold Dots. I will try them out when the weather gets better.

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mayguy

What gun are you using?

I really hope they work for you as well as they appear to be working for me.

Let us know...

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I am using an Omega. Thanks for the tip and good shooting.

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i like the 444gr power belt. mega punch[:@]