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pineywoods 12-13-2005 07:25 PM

Powerbelts
 
anyone ever use the 223g powerbelts in 50 cal.?our deer in east texas are not that big is that bullet to big? i'm using 185g xtpbullets/sabots now i just like the idea of a bore sized bullet. am i wrong? would the powerbelts be easier to load?thanks for the help

cayugad 12-13-2005 07:31 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
is this for a .45 caliber rifle? You can try them, they should not be too big or small for any deer. Shot placement is the key to all of this. Then shoot the one most accurate. I personally like to be a little over gunned for everything I hunt. I seldom worry about too much projectile for the creature. I want to stop them and plant them where they stand...

good luck hunting.

pineywoods 12-13-2005 07:41 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
it is a .50 cal just wondering about that. a guy in our camp was telling me that the bigger grain bullets would not expand enough and just pass through i just can't see that if shot placement is good i'm kind of new to bp but sounds like bs to me

cayugad 12-13-2005 08:01 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
I've never shot a 223 grain powerbelt, never even heard of them. I do shoot the 245 grain Aero Tip but never got to shoot them into a deer yet. I personally like big chunks of lead. As for expansion, a powerbelt is already 1/2 inch wide. How much more expansion do you need then that?


pineywoods 12-13-2005 08:11 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
jeeze sorry i asked

yakfisher 12-13-2005 08:19 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
cayugad, the 223gr Powerbelts are new this year. I believe they only come in the AeroTip. I have not tried them either. Looking at the trajectory, they are not much different than the 245 gr Powerbelts and don't have as much punch downrange. Check out the Powerbelt sight for the info on them.

cayugad 12-13-2005 08:42 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 

ORIGINAL: pineywoods

jeeze sorry i asked
Don't get me wrong.. glad you asked the question. I just never heard of it. I really like playing with all kinds of projectiles. I will have to watch for them and read up on them. They sound interesting. A lot of people do get very concerned with bullet expansion. I was not making any personal attack on you. If you took it that way, I apologize.

eldeguello 12-14-2005 11:55 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 

ORIGINAL: pineywoods

it is a .50 cal just wondering about that. a guy in our camp was telling me that the bigger grain bullets would not expand enough and just pass through i just can't see that if shot placement is good i'm kind of new to bp but sounds like bs to me
It is BS!! A .50 bullet that does not expand but "just passes on through" is sure as the devil PLENTY to kill Central Texas deer. Or even a Colorado elk, for that matter!

In this day & age, we are all accustomed to thinking in terms of expanding bullets due to the fact that expanding bullets are required in little guns (under .40 cal.) in order to quickly kill thin-skinned game! But in truth, how many of such bullets usually expand to over half-an-inch? Not many!!

The Power Belt is a good bullet for killing deer, if it shoots accurately in your gun - so is a .490" patched round ball! Just put either in the right place! (The Power Belt .50 does not have to expand to kill a deer!!)

In addition, loading/reloading with Power Belts is a pure pleasure compared to any "sabot" contraption.

sabotloader 12-14-2005 12:20 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
eldeguello


In addition, loading/reloading with Power Belts is a pure pleasure compared to any "sabot" contraption.
of course you would know that I disagree with your thoughts entirely. Loading a "sabot contraption" does not need to difficult, in fact it is fairly simple if you do your homework. Plus you do not need to worry about the bullet coming off the powder and you are normally shooting a much better bullet.

Powerbelts are nothing more than an elongated "round ball," not that there is anything wrong with a round ball. Even the copper powerbelts are just thinly plated to allow the lead to expand to catch the riflings.

For hundres of people the PowerBelt works fine, but you will find a lot more people shooting more if those "sabot contraptions" than you will PB's.
There are way to many more advantages in shooting the sabot/bullet combinations. The different opportunities offered are almost endless...

Criggster 12-14-2005 07:03 PM

RE: Powerbelts
 
I haven't used the 223, but have used the 245 in areo tip and killed a decent eight pointer this year with it. It was broadside at about 40 yards I hit it a little high, and the bullet went in between the ribs on the foreside and exited on the far side after hiting a rib. The exit hole was about twice the size of the entrance. He ran about 45 yards and piled up.

Firehawk7309 12-15-2005 03:37 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 

ORIGINAL: pineywoods

it is a .50 cal just wondering about that. a guy in our camp was telling me that the bigger grain bullets would not expand enough and just pass through i just can't see that if shot placement is good i'm kind of new to bp but sounds like bs to me
I'm here to tell you that I dropped a 147lb doe with a 225 grain powerbelt pushing 100 grains of powder. 70 yard shot, complete pass through, and never took another step. Everyone on here will have their opinion on powerbelts, but mine is very positive two years in a row now.

yakfisher 12-15-2005 04:32 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 
I have used Powerbelts for years and have harvested several deer with them. I have recently switched to sabots in my inlines, but I still shoot Powerbelts out of my Renegade. It is the gun that I have harvested the most deer with usingPowerbelts. All of thePowerbelt shotshave been full pass throughs or have beenfound on the other side of the body between the meat and the hide fully expanded. The pass throughs usually have a rather large exit hole. I still have one that I recovered from the first deer I harvested with a Powerbelt. I will try to post a pic of it when I get home from work this afternoon. The expansion was pretty impressive.I have never had a deer run more than twenty or thirty yards using these bullets and most piled up right where I shot them. The buck I shot this year never took a step and I shot him at about 25 yds with my Knight Bighorn with 90gr 777 and a 245gr Powerbelt. I have never used the 223gr bullet, but I am sure it will perform similar to the 245gr bullet, which is what I use. I have also used the 295gr bullets withexcellentresults. And as far as being easy to load, I have yet to find a bullet that is easier to load than a Powerbelt! Good luck andgive ussome picks and detailsof what you harvest with your 223gr Powerbelts. I would be interested in how they performed for you.

lefteye 12-15-2005 06:49 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 
I use powerbelts in a flintlock and an inline. 70 grains of 3F puts a 295 through deer. I use 100 grains in the inline with a 245 powerbelt and it is awesome out to 150 yards.
If you shoot any distance use a heavier bullet. They retain energy better even if the drop faster. Practice will tell what to allow. I get good groups at 100 yds with the 348 grain powerbelts but have not tried one on a deer yet.
If you put a .50 hole through both lungs expansion is not really a factor.

Tree climber 12-15-2005 09:05 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 
I took a real nice 8 pt. this B/P season.it was only about 10 yard shot quarting to me hit high going down.hit top of rib going in and hit last two ribs on off side. stuck between skin and meat at bottom of belly.it didn't have enough distance to even get rid of the plastic seal.
this is the only one I have ever had not pass through.I ave taken 13 with this 45 cal. gun with 225 gr. powerbelts.

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eldeguello 12-15-2005 09:22 AM

RE: Powerbelts
 

ORIGINAL: sabotloader

eldeguello


In addition, loading/reloading with Power Belts is a pure pleasure compared to any "sabot" contraption.
of course you would know that I disagree with your thoughts entirely. Loading a "sabot contraption" does not need to difficult, in fact it is fairly simple if you do your homework. Plus you do not need to worry about the bullet coming off the powder and you are normally shooting a much better bullet.

Powerbelts are nothing more than an elongated "round ball," not that there is anything wrong with a round ball. Even the copper powerbelts are just thinly plated to allow the lead to expand to catch the riflings.

For hundres of people the PowerBelt works fine, but you will find a lot more people shooting more if those "sabot contraptions" than you will PB's.
There are way to many more advantages in shooting the sabot/bullet combinations. The different opportunities offered are almost endless...
Gee, sounds like you like sabots! My experience with them was, to say the least, unsatisfactory. But I will admit that I have not tried every one on the market, and there may be some good ones. I just never found the good ones, and since I have found a number of full bore diameter conical bullets that work pretty well, I just stopped looking fora good sabot.......


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