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Alternative to fouling shot
The first shot from my Hakins 50 cal clean barrel (cleaned with alchohol and 2 caps shot to clear) hits up and left 6" at 50yards. After that first shot, the following shots hit near the bulls eye.
I would prefer not to foul the barrel each time I go out to hunt (no convenient place to fire the fouling shot, and I would like to not have to clean the gun each time I go out during ML season). Are there any non-corrosive alternatives to fouling the barrel with a fouling shot? -Rick C. |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
What is your ball size, patch thickness and type of lube? or are you shooting sabots, then .....sabot brand and bullet weight......and type of powder!
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RE: Alternative to fouling shot
I have read posts of people with similar problems. What they do is after they load the projectile they run a thin film of bore butter on a patch down the barrel to the projectile. From whatI read they claim that the thin film of bore buttersimulates the fowling that would have normally been found in the bore.
All you can do is try it. I personally do not have to do that. If you try it, let us know your results. |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
ORIGINAL: BS What is your ball size, patch thickness and type of lube? or are you shooting sabots, then .....sabot brand and bullet weight......and type of powder! |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
ORIGINAL: Rick C. The first shot from my Hakins 50 cal clean barrel (cleaned with alchohol and 2 caps shot to clear) hits up and left 6" at 50yards. After that first shot, the following shots hit near the bulls eye. I would prefer not to foul the barrel each time I go out to hunt (no convenient place to fire the fouling shot, and I would like to not have to clean the gun each time I go out during ML season). Are there any non-corrosive alternatives to fouling the barrel with a fouling shot? -Rick C. The notion of needing a second shotis 99.99%misleading as it's rare that a second shot is used for the following reasons: 1) The deer either drops in it's tracks or within sight after a 25-35yd mad dash, so no 2nd shot is needed; 2) Or the first shot allows the deer to bolt and run out of sight before a 2nd shot could be taken anyway; My two cents |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
Lube the barrel only on the first shot, and try different lubes.
Also you might try and see where the 410 grain LGP slugs shoots, for the first shot. Then try adding some MMP Sub-Bases and up the powder charge. I shoot the 410s out of my 50 cal with sub bases and they group just over 2"s at 100. [115FF Goex]............and just read my notes......they say CLL......clean, lube, load,......... for every shot...........for some reason these bullets like a little extra lube in the barrel..............I am using TC/natural lube. Hope some of this helps!:eek: |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
ORIGINAL: roundball 1) The deer either drops in it's tracks or within sight after a 25-35yd mad dash, so no 2nd shot is needed; 2) Or the first shot allows the deer to bolt and run out of sight before a 2nd shot could be taken anyway; My two cents |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
Rick, just zero the rifle for the first shot out of a clean cold barrel like it'll be when you're hunting. The notion of needing a second shotis 99.99%misleading as it's rare that a second shot is used for the following reasons: 1) The deer either drops in it's tracks or within sight after a 25-35yd mad dash, so no 2nd shot is needed; 2) Or the first shot allows the deer to bolt and run out of sight before a 2nd shot could be taken anyway; My two cents My reasons for this is simple. One morning of deer season while sitting in a stand I shot a nice doe. Having more tags to fill I continued to sit there. Under Roundball's directions, this would mean that every other shot taken that day would not be to a point where I was aiming. I then shot another deer later in the morning. (My rifle does not have that problem with fowling shots). Later that afternoon, friends and I drove a small section of woods. Having numerous tags to fill and limited days to do it, we are not hunting trophies. So had I a need to shoot again in the afternoon, that again would have meant I was still not on my POI. So if the bore butter trick does not work, I would try swabbing the bore between shots. See if that puts you closer to the first shot and consecutive shots. A wonderwad or sub base under the first or perhaps the second might also make the difference. I think the reason your getting this difference is you're shooting conicals. So as the bore becomes more fowled it closes the bore diametertolerance a little and produces better groups. Maybe simple swabbing with a 100% alcohol patch would do the trick. For those that might be wondering, I use 100% alcohol to swab my sidelocks with. I find I still get the fowling out, the barrel is dryer, less hangfires and misfires. When I used a mixed solution I had to be extra careful about only a slightly damp patch so that I did not push wet fowling down the breech....that would often interfere with the #11 cap. |
RE: Alternative to fouling shot
I have to agree,I do the alcohol thing and I don't have a big problem with my side lock.
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RE: Alternative to fouling shot
ORIGINAL: cayugad Rick, just zero the rifle for the first shot out of a clean cold barrel like it'll be when you're hunting. The notion of needing a second shotis 99.99%misleading as it's rare that a second shot is used for the following reasons: 1) The deer either drops in it's tracks or within sight after a 25-35yd mad dash, so no 2nd shot is needed; 2) Or the first shot allows the deer to bolt and run out of sight before a 2nd shot could be taken anyway; My two cents My reasons for this is simple. One morning of deer season while sitting in a stand I shot a nice doe. Having more tags to fill I continued to sit there. Under Roundball's directions, this would mean that every other shot taken that day would not be to a point where I was aiming. I then shot another deer later in the morning. (My rifle does not have that problem with fowling shots). Later that afternoon, friends and I drove a small section of woods. Having numerous tags to fill and limited days to do it, we are not hunting trophies. So had I a need to shoot again in the afternoon, that again would have meant I was still not on my POI. So if the bore butter trick does not work, I would try swabbing the bore between shots. See if that puts you closer to the first shot and consecutive shots. A wonderwad or sub base under the first or perhaps the second might also make the difference. I think the reason your getting this difference is you're shooting conicals. So as the bore becomes more fowled it closes the bore diametertolerance a little and produces better groups. Maybe simple swabbing with a 100% alcohol patch would do the trick. For those that might be wondering, I use 100% alcohol to swab my sidelocks with. I find I still get the fowling out, the barrel is dryer, less hangfires and misfires. When I used a mixed solution I had to be extra careful about only a slightly damp patch so that I did not push wet fowling down the breech....that would often interfere with the #11 cap. AfterI shoot a deer, it's either down in sight in which case it'snot going anywhere so there's no need to hurry...or...it's bolted out of sight andit's condition is questionable,and I won't go after it/push itfor a half hour. So in either case I stay put, quietlygetmy gear out, and easily spenda good 10-15minutes completely cleaning, drying, and relubingthe bore...(and lock) then I reload, gear up, and go get the deer. What makes this easy iscarrying afew pint size ziploc bags set up as 'cleaning kits'...consisting of 3 wet cleaning patches, 3 dry patches, 1 alcohol wipe,1 q-tip, 1 pipe-cleaner, 1 lubed patch. All the dirty used patches and things get sealed back in the ziploc andcarried back out of the woods...no smells left around, no littering, etc...justdrop in the trash when I get home...no muss, no fuss, and a clean cold barrel each time. :D |
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