.54 GPR and Pyrodex RS cause slight delay
 

I took my .54 GPR to the range and tried loading it with 90gr. Pyrodex RS with a CCI #11 cap and a PRB and when I let off the trigger there was a slight delay between the cap being popped and the powder charge going off. Now when I use Goex 2F with everything else the same I experience no delay at all. Is there a way to be able to use Pyrodex without getting a delay? Perhaps I ought to try Pyrodex P instead. It works just fine in my Crockett .32.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Are you sure you popped a few caps before loading to clear the nipple and fire channel? I have never had Pyrodex give me any delay in ignition. Whether Pyrodex P would help, I guess you can only try. I also use Pyrodex P in a couple of rifles but like I said, I never had any igniton problems with it. Are you using the original Lyman nipple? I have heard people had problems with them.... just a thought.

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Yes I popped a couple of caps before shooting and I am using a Hot Shot nipple. It is strange. The delay is very slight, but it is noticeable. I thought the Pyrodex P may touch off a bit faster.

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Pyrodex P might fire off a little faster but I will doubt you could notice the difference. I shoot Goex and even though it is dirty stuff, I like it better then Pyrodex. Goex just works, no matter what rifle you load it in.

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I hear ya. I just thought for hunting that Pyrodex has a slightly higher velocity than the Goex.

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Sounds like the Pyrodex got contaminated with moisture. Maybe last time at the range? Did you take the whole jug to the range? Where do you keep your powders? The Goexhas re-drying capabilities. I always use FFF/P with my sidelocks to help avoid stuff like this.The finer granules are easier toflow thru the powder channels - then under the nipple.

I would try to resolve the remaining RS powder hang-fire by laying out some plain white sheets of computer paper on a flat surface & spreading out the powder for a day or-so in a dry environment to remove any moisture it might have. Don't use anypaper with ink & pinch loose any clumps found in the jug of powder.

Then try it again at the range. If the weather is not favorable, only take the amount of powder you need. When you return home, don't put the range powder back in the original jug. Use it for range work only.

When all else fails... change the nipple & powder. It's possible the nipple is at fault here & only ignites the Goex instantly because Goex ignites easier than Pyrodex.

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Some people tell me they put 5g FFF in the rifle before their main charge (reduced by 5g).

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Well I have experienced this with more than one jug of Pyrodex. I live in Colorado and it is very dry here and have never had a problem with moisture, yet! I'm not saying moisture isn't the problem, I've just never experienced any thing like that in the last year. I know that the same jug of Pyrodex goes off just fine in my CVA Kodiak inline. Of course with a 209 primer what wouldn't go off.

I may take your suggestion with the paper and see what I find. I may even try a new nipple. Heck it never hurts. Thanks for the tips.

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I had a similar problem with my sidelocks when using Pyrodex RS. I would have random hang fires and even some misfires. when I switched to Pyrodex P all that went away. It went from around 20 to 30% to less than 1% of the time. As mentioned, I think it has something to do with the powder getting down through the fire channel to under the nipple. 2F seems to have more trouble doing that.

Hope this helps.

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Never had any luck getting RS to fire reliably in any of my sidelocks. Kept shooting blackpowder. Never did try Pyrodex-P but bet that would work just nicely.

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Pyrodex "P" might stop the hangfire, but if you check the October Country web site, they sell the "Mag-Spark" nipple. Put one on your GPR, and use No. 209 shotgun primers! This will eliminate any hangfires caused by Pyrodex.

http://octobercountry.com/products3.php?productid=395

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Thanks eldequello I'll check the link out and see what they have. Never thought of using 209 with a sidelock.

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eldeguello ... Have you ever had any problems with the nipple being blown back to the half cock or full cock position from the power of the 209 primer? Other posts claim it can damage the spring in the hammer. I just wondered if you experienced any of this?

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Keep the powder channel clear by using hard-force water spray when cleaning..... make sure the bottom hole of the nipple is clear -- use FFF/P powder with sidelocks -- then buy a hotter nipple & #11 caps that say "magnum"..... that's all you need to get instantaneous ignition... as long as your powder is not contaminated with moisture.

If using the system poster eldeguellodescribes, buy the Remington Kleanbore 209 primers.... nothing elseto maintainlongetivity of your hammer spring. Also keep a close eye on the 209 primer while sitting & pivoting in your hunting seat. It may fall off the 209 nipple... may not! All 209 manufacturers are not using the same precise diameters.

I have no idea why his name came out big & bold in my post. Must be a demonin the web airways...lol[:@][:@]

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Absolutey not! The Mag Spark's vent hole is no bigger than that of any other nipple. But it will blast a flash from the primer all the way out the muzzle, just like you get when you pop a primer in a centerfire case that has no bullet or powder in the case.

I have not tried it, (I'm a "loose powder" man), but I'll bet you could even use Pyrodex pellets in a sidelock with this nipple-at least I think I could, because my rifles have "semipatent breeches" in which the flash comes in at the dead center of the rear of the chamber......

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The Mag-Spark nipple has a cap that contains a "firing pin" that screws onto the outside of the nipple body after you put the primer in,covering the primer. This effectively waterproofs the nipple/cap assembly, so no moisture can enter from the breech, AND, of course, the primer can't fall off........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/eldeguello/display-image.jpg


The cap with pin protruding is at the lower right in this photo.....

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Hey Triple Se7en I am using the Remingtion #11 caps that are supposed to be 40% hotter. The powder channel is always clear. I think I'm just going to go to using FFF /P powder in the sidelocks and see what happens. I think it will do just fine. Thanks for all the suggestions.

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I have used Pyrodex RS in my CVA sidelock since I got it. I have never had any problems with ignition. I use CCI #11 Magnum caps.

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If you"re using the Remington #11 caps, that might be your problem right there... I hate those caps!! Of all the caps I have shot the ones that gave me nothing but problems were the Remington. And wouldn't you know it, the Wal Mart where I live would only carry them after they ran out of CCI Magnum #11 caps.

I finally bought myself a case of the Dynamite Noble 1075. Now them are caps. They make everything go BOOM! I always have excellent luck with them. As for the Remington, well I have some tins in the gun room and when I am preparing the rifle to take it to the range outside, I will use them to pop through the nipple....

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I like the Nobel but have grown fond of the CCI caps. I just bought out a gun shop going out of business $2 a tin. I bought 1500 of the suckers, that should keep me going for a year or two. (1500 caps not tins lol)

The are a mix of 50/50 magnum and regular.

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Remington recently "updated" their No. 11 caps to where these are now supposed to be as hot as CCI # 11 Magnum caps.......

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That's funny cayugad. I've only used the CCI #11 and the Remington #11 (that are supposed to be hotter). I've had more misfires with the CCI's than I have with the Remington. I'll have to look around and see if I can find some of those Dynamite Noble caps and give em a try.

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Finnadict.. I kid you not, I had to get two tins of the Remington caps to hold me over until I could find something else, and I bet I had over 10% misfires out of those tins. The CCI Magnums worked great for me but I did not like the plain CCI's. And the 1075's I can not remember ever having a misfire with them.

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RWS Dynamit Nobel 1075s are the best (red box).

If you are having so many problems with Remington & CCI-Mag caps, you need to change that nipple. They are cheap so why not change that when you buy new, smaller granule powder? Buy a Hot Shot or Splitfire nipplefrom Cabelas.... or try the 209 upgrade mentioned here.

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I'm not doubting you had many a misfire off of the Remingtons and I think I was using the regular CCI's which I was not a huge fan of. I am using a Hot Shot nipple and it's really not that I'm having any real trouble, I just want to see if I can get Pyrodex to touch off like Goex. After hunting season (which starts on the 10th of Sept.) I'll play around a bit with some different options and see what happens.