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Anyone have an encore and change barrels say from muzzleloader to reg rifle and back and forth.If so do you have to zero after changing the barrel each time.
Mine everytime I change the barrel from one to another it is off sometimes way off.Yesterday I started with the 50 cal shot a group (was allready zeroed from before) changed to the 25/06 barrel (it wasn't even on the paper),after rezeroing both cal,shoot exceptitional well,changed back to the 50 cal and it was off again.
Does others have this problem ,curious???

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Did you ever change out your hinge pin? Some are a tad too loose.

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Yes have an over sized hinge pin. tried posting a pic of yesterdays results but couldn't get it to come up.
I know changing most anything on a reg rifle would make you have to rezero,but thought this was one of the selling points on the encore.
Wanted to se what others was doing/

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Well, I don't know. But on mine and knights. Totally disassembing the gun, I seem to always have a POI change. But with the knights, I can see that cause of bedding. But Encores, I don't know why they would do it. but have seen it on them also.

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No POA seams to stay about the same. I switch between three barrels and have had no problems original pin and all. I live in NH though so T/C sells us all the best guns they make. You people have to deal with what you get.:D

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I'll remember where you live should I ever need a really good quality Thompson Center... you can walk right down to the factory and pick it out for me...:D Any .58 caliber flintlocks around there?

It is strange that one has problems and another does not. I would be calling Thompson Center tech support and finding out why. With what they pay for those rifles they sure better work like they claim.

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Yea, I know some people that get wonderful success and others with headspace issues. others with oversized pins, other had to buy bullberry forarms. ButI ended up selling my ML barrel to my brother since I like my Knight elite better. And keeping my encore as a varmit gun.

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I was just kidding, lol!! The hinge pin is just around for the ride after the barrel locks up up so I would look there last not first for problems. Are you resting the gun on it's barrel when shooting? If you are don't, use the forestock as close to you as you can. Use a piece of wood to tap in the pin so you are not shocking your scope. I use an old ball starter with the round top to do this. Are you sure the butt stock is tight? On new rifles it would not hurt to remove the buttplate and tighten up the screw holding it to the receiver.

Last but not least check all the screws on your scope mount bases and rings the first couple times you shoot the barrel to make sure they have not loosened at all. This all will help you retain zero. You will have a slight change in POA everytime you shoot with every rifle this should keep you close to MOA though. Yes the Encore shoots MOA!!

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Thanks fellows ,I have checked and rechecked all the screws,a fellow on another board said he takes and marks his hinge pin so it will index the same each time,so I will try that soon as I get time.
Pittsburghunter,I did get a 45 cal barrel that you folks passed on down this way,that I never did get to shoot good,but these 2(50 cal,and 26/06 ) I don't know how you let them get by,believe me they both will drive tacks.Don't know how many 3-shot one hole groups that I have shot with the 50 cal and the 25/06 myself and my shooting buddie shot six 3-shot groups with it in a row @ 300 yds that measured one inch and less.This is the main reason I was curious about what others got when they changed the barrels back and forth.After getting them back to zero,they shoot and stay there.
Bigcountry,what cal are you using for your varmit rifle in the encore ?I couldn't believe how good the 25/06 shot,but it only likes one bullet so far and that is a hornady 120 gr.

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Pitts, its a fairly known around that the hindge pin can cause you problems.

Looking for 204ruger. Haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. No pun Hee Hee.

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I guess it is one of those "If it happens to me I'll believe it" things like the crud ring being so bad you have to switch to different primers or plugs. I never have had an issue with the pin at all except sometimes I find it hard to line up when I reinstall it. The barrels seem to hold their zero quite well.

I would not hesitate to change from the 209x.50 to the .308 and just go hunting without checking it, I know it will shoot fine. Cool thing is I put the same scope on both barrels so they feel the same when shouldered and shooting.

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I have two barrels and both of them seem to hold there zero after swapping back and forth, removing and re-installing, etc. Hope this helps.

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I guess what I explaining Pitts, is just cause I don't have trouble with my remington 700 doesn't mean that all doesn't have trouble.

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I guess I am lucky???? Wish I could relate but I have had no problems with my rifle in the 6 years or so since I have owned it. I bought it the first year they came out. I know the hinge pin means squat if the barrel locks up right.

Buy all the pins you want!!! I will just buy better bulllets.

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Pitts, listen up, I put a post about a hinge pin. It was my opinion and shared opinion was alot of custom encore companies.Yes they sell hinge pins. You of course came on to dispute it and explain you never heard of the possible issue. You could have have just toldyouropinion of the problem, but you wanted to dispute it. Your case is"well, my onegun I have tested didn'thave problems, so everyones else couldn't either".What is wrong with someone putting their opinion on here?

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http://www.prbullet.com/encore2.htm

Good article for you. Not only have I read it but have seen it.

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Nothing wrong with someone doing that Bigcountry that is all I am doing. I personally haven't seen that problem I know others have. I actually called T/C to ask them about it when I decided to try another propellant and wanted load data. I saw someone who works for the company that sells the replacement pins post about the big problems people have with pins and asked the tech support people what they thought about it and was told it is bull.

The company that makes the rifle told me as long as you have a rifle in good repair and a pin that is not damaged you should not have any problems with lock up and accuracy.

The people who sell the pins would need special ones to fit evey barrel and gun if that was the case. It isn't though.


In my opinion.

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Sorry fellows didn't mean to start an argument.I only know what mine is doing and trying to rectfy that.
I took and marked the pin and loaded up a box of 25/06 bullets ,going to take it to the range soon as I can and try once more changing barrels back and forth to see what happens.
As I said before after rezeroing each one they shoot exceptionaly well.So it has to be something in changing the barrels.
Don't have any pics of the 25/06 groups becausethey were shot on another guys target and didn't have a camera then,but looking in my notes @ 100 yds the least group was .394 and @300 was .607.The 50 muzzleloader has shot many one hole groups and has empressed fellows at the rifle range.The pic in the first post was shot recently and one below was shot year before last.
using a different bullet..
Will pass on what I find out.,Thanks again

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Herman we are not fighting just stating our opinions. I think it is good that we can disagree civilly on this board. Looking at your groups I don't think anything is wrong with the rifle. If everything was the same on the rifle including scope settings could we just be seeing the difference in loads? Weather, humidity or tempature? I notice when I change loads I can keep groups about the same size unless I really screw up a combo. The impact point will change though.

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pitt i ment the remark about argument in a joking manner just forgot to add the little smily.Am at the age now that I don't know wether I'm getting on or off any more:).
I added the last 2 groups just to show how accurate the rifle has been since I got it.Once I get either one back together and rezero they shoot very good.
Last season I didn't use the encore for muzzleloader season because I used a savage,but took it to the range to check it out in case I wanted to use it and shot two 3-shot groups,both groups were less than an inch.So it stays on from range session to session but just gets off changing from one cal to another.
The main reason I want to find out why this isn't working is that I was thinkng of getting a couple of barrels in other calibers since the 25/06 and 50 cal shot so good.Would like to try one in 22/250 and 204 .I need more guns like I need another hole in the head.

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I have the .22-250 barrel and love it. I have a 3-12x50 scope on it and it is a joy to shoot.
V-Max bullets seem to do best in the thing never had good luck with the Sierra's but have not loaded many of them because of a few bad trips to the range. I got the free "test the best" bullets from Nosler but have yet to try them.

OK back to m/l lol!!!