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HB05-1266
Well the state of Co has done it again! 1266 was a measure to increase resident hunting and fishing licenses prices, many by 100%. Governor Owens signed it on May 4. So get your wallets out in 06, this one is going to cost you big time. I wonder what state will follow next?
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The life-time hunting and fishing I purchased back in Highschool sure was a good investment. Since my purchase, here in Ks, the license went up around 75% I think. Maybe Colorado offers the Lifetime Permits? I'm not sure.
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I think our fees just increased here in NV about 2 years ago. It should be about another 2 or 3 and we are in for it again. And no lifetime licenses either[:@] Oh well, we pay to play:D
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Utah did it in 05. Limited entry elk tags went from $180 to $280 for a resident. Everything else went up also but by different amounts and percentages.
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ORIGINAL: gselkhunter Well the state of Co has done it again! 1266 was a measure to increase resident hunting and fishing licenses prices, many by 100%. Governor Owens signed it on May 4. So get your wallets out in 06, this one is going to cost you big time. I wonder what state will follow next? Gselkhunter Waaaa Waaaa Waaaa They raised resident fees Waaaaa THE LAST FEE INCREASE WAS IN 1992! If I recall correctly, under the 2005 increase, deer went from $20 to $30 and Elk went from $30 to $45. Would you like me to calculate, under a standard rate of inflation, what it probably should have been raised to? I have had Colorado residents telling me that the sportsmen's groups in Colorado actually FOUGHT to get the Fee Increase but it is funny who accustomed many of the residents have become to having their hunting subsidized by the exploitantion of the non-resident. If they only raised non-resident deer tags $10 in the last 13 years, non-residents would be jumping for joy. SA |
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I don't have a problem with the increases. Like Spyro said, the increases are small considering, as a matter of fact, the increases are below or just keep pace with inflation. It's also note worthy that the DOW does not create the fee schedule but five sportmaens' advisory groups that include sportsmen, conservationist, and members of the public! Some of the money is slated to be used for an "educational media campaign" that is not trying to create new hunters, BUT instead to educate the general public about hunting and fishing as a "management tool" and the why it is necassary!
When you look at the cost of other "activities" such as golf, skiing, and such, hunting seems to be quite reasonably priced, IMO!! |
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New Mexico also raised all their prices from fish to big game. [:@][:@] Good luck.
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SpyroAndes, HMMMM, you must be one of the guys around that makes a lot money. There are a lot of low income people in CO that won't be able to take their kids hunting and fishing now. But that never did matter to rich folk, they want the woods to themselves anyway. The guy that makes less than 30K a year with 4 teens can now only dream about taking his kids on a sheep hunt at $250 a pop. It is a sad state of life when only the rich and the outfitters get ahead. And I am not saying the DOW didn't need the money, they did, their fuel costs went up too. I too can handle the cost of increases, but what about those that can't. It is their forrest too and they didn't have a say about the DOW paying for their new education program with license money. I think it is time this country went back to doing what is good for all, not just the few that can afford it.
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ORIGINAL: gselkhunter SpyroAndes, HMMMM, you must be one of the guys around that makes a lot money. There are a lot of low income people in CO that won't be able to take their kids hunting and fishing now. But that never did matter to rich folk, they want the woods to themselves anyway. The guy that makes less than 30K a year with 4 teens can now only dream about taking his kids on a sheep hunt at $250 a pop. It is a sad state of life when only the rich and the outfitters get ahead. And I am not saying the DOW didn't need the money, they did, their fuel costs went up too. I too can handle the cost of increases, but what about those that can't. It is their forrest too and they didn't have a say about the DOW paying for their new education program with license money. I think it is time this country went back to doing what is good for all, not just the few that can afford it. Gselkhunter .................................................. .................................................. ...... Fee Increases effective Jan. 1, 2006 Fishing & Small Game Resident Nonresident Current 2006 Current 2006 Extra Rod Stamp $4 $5 $4 $5 Fishing - 1 day $5 $8 $5 $8 Fishing - 5 days $18 Eliminated $18 $20 Fishing - annual $20 $25 $40 $55 Senior Annual Fishing $10 FREE Not Available Small Game Hunting $15 $20 $40 $55 Small Game - 1 day $5 $10 $5 $10 Small Game - 5 days $20 Eliminated $200 Eliminated Furbearer $20 $25 $200 $200 Turkey (Fall) $10 $15 $75 $100 Turkey (Spring) $10 $20 $75 $100 Turkey (Youth) $10 $10 $75 $75 Combination Fishing/Small Game $30 $40 Not Available Resident Big Game Licenses** Current 2006 Deer $20 $30 Elk $30 $45 Pronghorn $20 $30 Bear $30 $40 Mountain Lion $30 $40 Moose $200 $250 Mountain Goat $150 $250 Rocky Mountain Bighorn $150 $250 Desert Bighorn Sheep $200 $250 ** Non-resident big game license fees were increased by the legislature in 2001 and are adjusted annually according to the Denver/Boulder Consumer Price Index. .................................................. .................................................. ..... Don't give me the Poor People will suffer song and dance. That dog don't hunt. Boo Hoo! An Elk tag cost 45 instead of 30. You're not going to get any sympathy from me. And No I'm not rich, I make $30,000 and have 3 kids. |
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ORIGINAL: gselkhunter SpyroAndes, HMMMM, you must be one of the guys around that makes a lot money. ORIGINAL: gselkhunter There are a lot of low income people in CO that won't be able to take their kids hunting and fishing now. But that never did matter to rich folk, they want the woods to themselves anyway. ORIGINAL: gselkhunter The guy that makes less than 30K a year with 4 teens can now only dream about taking his kids on a sheep hunt at $250 a pop. They say that the average kid costs $200k to raise to 18 years of age... maybe he should have invested the $0.25 per condom after kid number 2... He made his choice... he chose to spend the $200k on the kid and not other stuff. That is how he spent his entertainment dollar. So not only do you want the subsidize the poor for every child, you want to subsidize every child's hunting? Frankly, your argument regarding being able to take his kids sheep hunting is well... pretty poor... 1) the tags were $150 before. Like the difference between $600, for 4 tags apps @$150, and $1000, for 4 tags apps at $250, is the factor. How about getting the $600 to begin with. 2) Should the price of Ferraris be dropped so that he can buy all 4 kids new Ferraris as well? HINT: When you are poor, you don't get the Ferrari, you get public transportation. The "public transportation" of Colorado's hunting and fishing are easily accessible to the poor. BTW, maybe not getting everything that everyone else is getting might motivate the children to get an education. Oh and one last thing, I worked when I was 14 yrs old... FOR STUFF THAT I WANTED... my folks provided food, clothes, a place to sleep and love. However, I was resonsible for my license and shells. ORIGINAL: gselkhunter It is a sad state of life when only the rich and the outfitters get ahead. What is a sad state of affairs is when people believe that the poor are entitled to everything that others are entitled to... Heck, lets subsidize them having winter homes in Aspen as well... I mean if a guy w/ four kids, that makes under 30K, wants to take his kids to Aspen.... He can't do it... ORIGINAL: gselkhunter And I am not saying the DOW didn't need the money, they did, their fuel costs went up too. I too can handle the cost of increases, but what about those that can't. It is their forrest too and they didn't have a say about the DOW paying for their new education program with license money. To be 100% honest, the have access to the forrest and they did have a say... Colorado Sportsmen pushed the fee increases. ORIGINAL: gselkhunter I think it is time this country went back to doing what is good for all, not just the few that can afford it. As for affording it... boo hoo... We offer subsidies in many forms... welfare... food stamps... unemployment.. and etc... Sorry, there is no hunting welfare... |
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Well, I don't know how old your kids are, BUT the fee for existing youth and senior citizen licenses will not be increasing! Youth small game licenses will still be available for $1 a year!!
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ORIGINAL: Howler Well, I don't know how old your kids are, BUT the fee for existing youth and senior citizen licenses will not be increasing! Youth small game licenses will still be available for $1 a year!! They won't be able to afford sheep hunting! So after you people subsidize the sheep hunting for those below the poverty level, I expect that you'll start working on subsidizing Cohiba Cigars, Remy Martin Louis XIII Congac, Bently automobiles and H&H Royal Shotguns for the upper middle class? Not only the rich should have the finer things in life... SA PS. Wasn't it with you that I had the discussion about how some residents were up in arms regarding the increases? |
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gselkhunter, I agree with you 100%.
SpyroAndes, you have spent too much time in Cal. Why don't you use some of your hot air and money and do something good for your state? Like fight the tree huggers and anti's for a change. That would be a whole lot better than fighting and belittleing your fellow hunters. If hunting does go to the rich only then come voting time, they and you will get screwed too out of hunting too. I don't think you have a clue who Greg (gselkhunter) is do you? Maybe if you did you would be a little nicer? Then again, maybe you'll just be a prick your words not mine! |
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They say that the average kid costs $200k to raise to 18 years of age... maybe he should have invested the $0.25 per condom after kid number 2... He made his choice... |
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spyro you tell it like ya think it is dont ya...........
well i guess everybody has a right to their opinion. not sure im with ya on all of this. im not rich, but im not poor either. 30 year old single guys usually arent THAT poor. but here in wyoming our tags have raised each year. not a lot, but raises, and i think it sucks. antelope deer and elk are reasonable (id probably but that friggin elk tag no matter what the cost) but our moose, mountain goat and sheep are $300 total each year. still cheaper than colorado, still a lot of money for some of us to come up with at one time. ive posted on other topics on here regarding the cost of hunting, and a lot of the trips id love to take that require guides by law. in my neck of the world, $30,000 is a pretty decent salary, not below average anyway. many of my friends who are married will NEVER be able to take the trips ive taken in the last couple years, and im not talking extravagent trips. swap hunts to be precise. try to raise a family on that kind of money and have any to travel, even if it is just swap hunting. are they poor parents or deadbeats? no, the cost of living here is cheap and so are the wages, but when we meager people seek to leave our little corner of the world, we have to compete with what people like you make. it just doest work. ya know, a lot of california people, like you are making it a point to move out here. yep, youve made some money, and you even buy some nice looking property (that higher priced crap that no local would every buy, or want to buy). but one thing i notice that around here you people arent buying a lot of around here....friends. im not saying i dont agree with anything ya say spyro, but some of it is a bit of a stretch brad |
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spyro---I too must voice my displeasure in your off the wall RUDE comments directed towards Gselkhunter. Not only because he's a friend of mine. Because you are just flat wrong in your hateful accusations. To comment on a man for not being responsible enough to have less kids so he can basicly afford them in a manner you brought it up is way over the line. I don't care what State you're from!!!-- Money is not the issue here!!
I believe you owe him a sincere apology!!!!-----------------------ElkNut1 |
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ORIGINAL: elknut1 spyro---I too must voice my displeasure in your off the wall RUDE comments directed towards Gselkhunter. Not only because he's a friend of mine. Because you are just flat wrong in your hateful accusations. To comment on a man for not being responsible enough to have less kids so he can basicly afford them in a manner you brought it up is way over the line. I don't care what State you're from!!!-- Money is not the issue here!! I believe you owe him a sincere apology!!!!-----------------------ElkNut1 Your buddy GS clearly stated that he was not in this predicament and was speaking hypothetically... so anything was based upon hypotheticals. Here is the quote... The guy that makes less than 30K a year with 4 teens can now only dream about taking his kids on a sheep hunt at $250 a pop. It is a sad state of life when only the rich and the outfitters get ahead. And I am not saying the DOW didn't need the money, they did, their fuel costs went up too. I too can handle the cost of increases, but what about those that can't. Thanks, SA |
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Spyro---You're right, I did read it wrong! I apologize!! ---------ElkNut1
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ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor gselkhunter, I agree with you 100%. ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor SpyroAndes, you have spent too much time in Cal. Why don't you use some of your hot air and money and do something good for your state? Like fight the tree huggers and anti's for a change. ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor That would be a whole lot better than fighting and belittleing your fellow hunters. If hunting does go to the rich only then come voting time, they and you will get screwed too out of hunting too. Again, I have heard a vaild reason why increasing sheep tags from $150 to $250 is so outrageous? You people act like they are going to keep this money when they don't draw. Since the example was brought up of a Father and 4 kids, I'll continue to use it... Old Pricing Father's App Fee = $150 4 Sons App Fees = $600 Total = $750 New Pricing Father's App Fee = $250 4 Sons App Fees = $1000 Total = $1250 If the Father can't afford the increase, maybe he should sacrifice his tag fee to help cover the kids. Fathers have to sacrifice for their children all the time... the fathers are easy to spot. They are the ones driving an older or cheaper car. They are the ones that are eating the brown bag lunch that look eirily similar to the kids' lunches. Do we start picketting restuarants to lower the pricing of their lunch items so they can go out to lunch with the rest of the guys? Do we start a "Crappy Car" subsidy so people will get X amount of dollars per kid to be used towards a vehicle? People make choices in life... Some smoke crack... Some drop out before getting an education... Some drink themselves to death... Some cover themselves with tatoos... Some spend to much... Some have more kids than they can afford... These are all CHOICES that these people have made and, for every choice, there are consequences and repercussions. Nobody forced them to make their wife into a baby machine. Or are you insinuating that majority of people that have more kids than they can afford were too dumb to realize "kids cost money"?!?!? ORIGINAL: idahoelkinstructor I don't think you have a clue who Greg (gselkhunter) is do you? Maybe if you did you would be a little nicer? Then again, maybe you'll just be a prick your words not mine! I attacked his points... not him... SA |
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ORIGINAL: Hikchick The more I read your crap the more I wish that your daddy would have had the smarts to use that $.25 condom. Then we wouldn't have to deal with your senseless and idiotic drivel. Get a life, Spyro. Hope you stay in Cali. We don't need your narrowminded attitude anywhere else. But if you would like to see where the senseless and idiotic drivel in this thread in eminating from, I suggest you look in the mirror. You have yet to address any post that I have ever written on this board with anything that even remotely resembles an intelligent reply. At this point, I would almost settle for an on topic reply. Try doing that for a change... it might convinve me that there is a 50/50 chance that your IQ might approach triple digits. SA |
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I'll tell you what I think in two parts:
1) When I'm in the woods, I see guys drive up in $30,000 pickup trucks, unload $5,000 ATV's off the truck, then grab another $5,000 worth of rifles, binoculars, range finders, etc. etc. Then when a deer tag goes from $10 to $20 you'd think the sky was falling to hear these same guys talk. 2) I've said it before and so far nobody is getting it. The absolutely certain result of this Taulman (how's my spelling?) Outfitters lawsuit in AZ is that nonresident hunting fees will go to a price that will take your breath away in a matter of years. See, states (read residents) are simply not going to let nonresident hunters overrun them in the long run. So, how do you stop that? Well, you jack up the nonresident fee to the point that... jump forward to 2015 ... well, no your honor, we don't put a quota on nonresident tags. Of course we charge $2,000 for a nonresident elk tag and that means we get the same low number of nonresident hunters we got back in the day of quotas. Discriminatory pricing, as opposed to quotas, is a well established principle in our economy (senior discounts, anyone?). You think Taulman et al care about this? Of course they don't. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and that their true target is not the quotas per se, but the low budget nonresident hunter who schleps in on the cheap and DOESN'T HIRE AN OUTFITTER. See! The rich guys are the ones who hire outfitters, and they're still going to be able to afford $2000 elk tags. Who wins? Outfitters, that's who. (Incidentally, residents aren't going to be hurt too badly when it's all said and done, just don't figure on hunting a neighboring state without mortgaging the house.) |
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ORIGINAL: huntnmuleys in my neck of the world, $30,000 is a pretty decent salary, not below average anyway. many of my friends who are married will NEVER be able to take the trips ive taken in the last couple years, and im not talking extravagent trips. swap hunts to be precise. try to raise a family on that kind of money and have any to travel, even if it is just swap hunting. are they poor parents or deadbeats? no, the cost of living here is cheap and so are the wages, but when we meager people seek to leave our little corner of the world, we have to compete with what people like you make. it just doest work. If a $30,000 per year guy with 4 kids couldn't afford to take his kids fishing or bird hunting or deer hunting, you'd hear me scream that the fees are completely unreasonable. However, when it comes to more than that... I have to discuss the choices that a person makes. You hunt other places... If you were raising a family, you wouldn't be able to. That was your choice. If a $30,000 per year guy wants to apply everyone in his family for a sheep hunt... he better have a small family or be looking to improve on his $30,000 per year. I just find it interesting that this country where economic status dicates the quality of healthcare availible to it's citizens... all you people believe that it is SHEEP TAGS that we should be subsidizing... ORIGINAL: huntnmuleys ya know, a lot of california people, like you are making it a point to move out here. yep, youve made some money, and you even buy some nice looking property (that higher priced crap that no local would every buy, or want to buy). but one thing i notice that around here you people arent buying a lot of around here....friends. The recent movie with Jack Black and Ben Stiller sort of touched on this subject... SA SA |
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I think prices for tags are outragouse any were,there is alot of hunting I would like to do out of state but the price of tags cost to darn much.
I stay in Montana where I can hunt everything I desire fro now,Elk,deer (White-tail and mulies),Moose,Blackbear,antelope,Mountain sheep and Goats,turkeys,upland birds. I put up with crapy wages,winters,land tax,poor jobs.Why so I can hunt and not drive or fly 10,000 miles to do-it.Do I think out-a-staters should pick up the tab,yes.Why cause they have good jobs,good wages,mild winters.If ya don't like it don't come here,thats you choice not mine. Spyro, There are pepole in this world who take procreating not that seirious,I seem them all the time 6 kids and now where to go.I try to help those kind of pepole,get them a few deer for the winter nothing pricey 40 bucks worth of tags,but thats a whole lot cheaper than a run to the store.So when a residnt tag gose from 20 to 50 it's a big deal,some families can't afford 100 bucks. Now Here is me I'm 30 years old,I work full time been working since I was 13,been with the same job 12 years,I make right at 30k + benies and 1 mo vac. a year.I have 4 kids 2 daughter and Twin boys,my wife works full time makes 20k a year.We don't live the high life but hey we get by,we have our fun and we budget.I can go on about any hunt I wan't at a drop of a hat(under 10K)not that's the point.I would rather sell all my guns and not hunt the rest of my life if I could not take my kids or be with them and that my freind is call LOVE.With no amout of could buy I'am their father and for that I thank god every day. BBJ P.S. Spyro,we figured out the kid problem.......it was the wife so I had her fixed.:D:D |
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Spyro,
It must have been a long time since you wore a condom,.25 cents HA,their like $1.75@ the gas station,or 6 @ $4.95.=$1.21 each.:D:D:D BBJ |
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ORIGINAL: BareBack Jack Spyro, It must have been a long time since you wore a condom,.25 cents HA,their like $1.75@ the gas station,or 6 @ $4.95.=$1.21 each.:D:D:D BBJ You married guys must buy them by the 6-pack because you are afriad that you won't use them all by the experation date and they'll goto waste.  You can goto Costco and get the 44-Count Box of Condoms for $10.99... 44 @ $10.99 = $0.25 each Anyway, back to the topic, nobody is saying that you can't take the yougins hunting and fishing... you just might not be applying 5 people for sheep tags... Btw, the deer tags didn't go from $20 to $50 but rather from $20 to $30... or a $.77 increase per year since the $20 price was set in 1992. SA |
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Heck Spyro,
I'm was not that lucky when I was single to buy the ECONO box at Sam's Club.;) It just tough to see our passions in life get so spendy,the cost of everthing has gone up.One thing in Montana they offer a 1/2 price rate on tags till their 14,and after that like you said if my kid wan'ts to put in for Sheep or Goat,or Moose he/she can meet me 1/2 way. BBJ |
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spyro....
i think the local resent thing has some merit, but not so much here. here the only place these people are moving into are small 20-40 acre tracts that landowners are subdividing, and overpricing about 500%. these landowners know that the only people who would pay that kind of money for not so choice land here are the newcomers. and they get screwed everytime. i myself just bought 20 acres near here, in the hills witha small creek running through it and maintained county road access, but i got it for a fraction of the price that these people are paying. maybe i should sell it to one of them?? that whole haves vrs have nots thing, i dont see why these people would do it. move to a totally new area with few friends, and then not make any when they get here. hwoever i see it all the time. guess friends mean more to me than a little piece of property. anybody here looking for 20 or so acres??? brad |
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To the people that scoffed at my stating that having a kid costs you $200k by the time they are 18 (w/o college)...
Here you go... from MSN money... Raising your quarter-million dollar baby |
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