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I'm GOING TO SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!

Where is that damn buck???? I'm a "non resident" and i'm going to go over and shoot it "out of season", "no license" and worse yet with my "243 WINCHESTER"!!!!

Now, all of you can be mad at me instead!!!! :>)))

Drilling Man

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Not sure what you are searching for, support for your immorality? Shooting a trophy animal and comparing it to speeding! Not apples to apples. How about sin then? Cheating on your wife versus using the Lords name in vain? Both are sins, both punishable by damnation? I am not the judge, nor am I the one that would judge you for shooting your girlfriends deer. That is your choice! It's not about the kill, it's the experience! You and so many others like to compare hunting to baseball and football, winning at every cost!


As for me the answer is still NO! And yes, not one speeding ticket "yet" in my 45 years of driving.

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Spyro,
If that's the case then why isn't murder legal or ethical or moral? According to you it's the same as speeding. Keep it on track. Why do we have laws at all then? It always comes down to a decision, whether you are breaking the law or not. My answer was, "No, because it is illegal." What is wrong with that answer? Why is it so wrong to follow the law? What is so bad about being a law abiding citizen? Funny how the law abiding citizens of this world hold more credibility than those who choose to break those laws. Why is my stance so bad, you tell me that.

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Would it be nice to shoot a second deer of that caliber, sure it would, legal or not. Would I do it myself?? Heck no. Would my actions of taking an extra large buck on public property effect somebody else? Possibly. Not to mention the fact that I may loose my hunting priveledges for a few years, that would really suck. If everyone decided to take that shot that someone else couldn't make then our management systems would go to heck over the years. Game laws were put into effect to help maintain healthy populations. If everyone chose to ignore the rules set forth(moral or not) then we would all suffer. I am by no means a professional when it comes to proper game management. I rely on those who are to set the rules. I enjoy hunting too much to do anything that will cause our awesome past time any damage.

Yes I have got a speeding ticket. I was in the desert with nobody around and the ticket did not effect anyone but me. I was going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit which is not hard to do in the desert without cruise control.

Have I done anything else that was illegal? Heck yes. I was young and dumb at one time. I would be a hypocrit if I said that I didn't. Anything that I did illegal or against the law effected me and only me.

When it comes down to my hunting. I walk a straight line as it is what I live for. I have gained and lost so much for my passion that I will do what ever it takes to keep it alive. Like I have said before, If you want to meet a former hunter, come see me at my funeral..........................

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Nothing is wrong with your stance... for you...

However, I just found it interesting that you equate being law abiding with being moral and ethical. In many cases, they are completely different beasts.

Sometimes breaking the law is the right thing to do... as many have stated they believe, in this very thread, regarding game recovery and responsibility to quickly dispatch the animal. Is our obligation to abide to the letter of the law or to the spirit of the law?

Again, as I stated previously, I just thought that your answer was rather boring and offered no insight as to your thought process... I was hoping to get you to expand upon it.

SA

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I wouldn't

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Spyro,
If all you wanted was an expansion of my explanation then all you had to do was ask for it. This whole thread wouldn't have gotten so out of control if you could have simply asked that instead of insinuating that I was not ethical. There is nothing wrong with saying NO, because it is illegal. That should have been enough. Try and take the high road here and accept that.

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It wouldn't be lack of ability. It would just be refusal. The difference in animals that I am talking about is really the difference in utilization of the animals I guess (maybe, I should have made that more clear). If the utilization is going to be for meat then I might be persuaded to shoot if there was a valid reason for my partners inability (as I stated earlier). If not, than not. btw, All animals are valuable but I guess I do consider animals that, to me, are trophies (even though there are many subjective qualities to each) more valuable as living creatures, therefore, the purpose for taking them should be more carefully weighed...just my opinion

The above statement did not really apply to the hypothetical situation I was talking about....read below

I was assuming that my partner had an inability on that specific hunt. Not a lack of general hunting experience. of course if it was a youth or novice hunter than refusal would be my choice.

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No matter how we look at it guys and gals,there are still pepole who will break the laws,it's the same as the poaching issue argued in this forum.

It is up to US to make the call,if you doit or if you don't.You and you alone will pay the price.Be it the guilt or the prosicution.


As for stating a trophy Montana has a law where you get fined more and lose you licences and hunting privileges in many western states and it reads.
TROPHY MULE DEER
1. 4 points or more bothe sides excluding brow tines
2. Inside spred of 20 inches or more
3. A main beam length of 21 inches or more on both sides and or a B&C Green score of 160
That is what Montana defines as a Trophy mule deer,if you kill a buck that size illeigaly it is a $8,000 dollar fine.

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I think that trophy law in montana is a JOKE the only reasion it is there so the state gets more MONEY.

They by no meens are trophys just some numbers montana pulled out of the but.If they are going to make a law like this one they should use some real numbers.

After the new hunting laws came out I spent well over 3 hours on the phone with fish and game. They did not right some laws out,allso wroat some roung.The DNR here is not very good at all.MOST wordens do not even know the laws them selfs let alone can help you with them.