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This goes along with the "more wolf news" post, but i wanted my opinion to be seen as the other one had 3 pages basically
deer and elk hunting is being severely impacted by the wolf to the point these herds will have a helluva time recovering IF they can recover. Wolf management is out of the question seriously, how did these groups, US Fish and Game and other pro wolf advocacy groups plan to control them? How is it that in 1 week of hunting my dad and I come across 10 elk kill sites, where the elk werent even eaten, sport killing is what it looks like to me. The Idaho Wolf Coalition have come across the same issues they have pictures on thier site. Back to what I was saying, my uncle then comes across a coyote that had its legs ripped off, its head dragged off, and intestines strung all over the forest, sorry for the details. This has already impacted a couple of our very good hunting spots. The court seems to ignore this problem, thanks to liberals who seem to just brush it aside as if it were the fruit cake that they're getting for christmas, but no this is serious business so I encourage you all to join some sort of anit-wolf group and get your opinion heard.

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If you would like to voice your opinion feel free to reply

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I agree 110% with you! I am a member of the Anti-Wolf coalition in Idaho. Wolves have infiltrated into my hunting grounds and have literally cut down the elk numbers, and the remaining elk are holed up. Something terrible is going to happen before any action is going to take place. I mean terrible, in the idea of losing human lives. In my opinion as soon as someone's little girl is taken, or someone's little boy is attacked... then you will see action and public apreciation of the work being done by the Anti wolf Coalitions. Sad, but true. This will continue to spiral out of control, unless something shocks it back into place.

IdahoHunter

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There is NO doupt that wolves kill for sport!!!!

How about pulling down a cow moose, pulling the calf out of the belly, eat some of the calf, and leave the cow to die, slowely!!!!

It happens all to often!!

Drilling Man

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I was with my dad this past year in one of our areas, we smelt something that stunk terribly, like a rotting carcass, well all the sudden my dad turns around and not more than 15 yards away there was wolf staring at us in a lunging position, thank god it ran away, gave me quite a fright

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I am against reintroduction of the wolf anywhere. In our State the cougar is raising hell with game population in the Black Hills. Nothing will be done about it until the kill a few children. And they will.

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I saw in Salmon Idaho last year, I saw a bumper sticker that said *#$% the wolves and shoot the Politicians that brought them here. Thats how mad some people are over the wolves and I don't blame them. I myself agree 100% with this and other people comments posted here. I too am going to join the Anti wolf Coalitions for there is strength in numbers, but IMHO I don't think that they (Antil Wolf Coalition) will make a difference. I hope I am wrong but until they win a victory in court I will not get my hopes up. Until then it SSS all the way!

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Gotta agree with everything everyone has said here on this topic ! You're so correct Archer18.

I operated in Ontario's North ... and in my area - we're over run with wolves. Fortunately - we have a open season year round - but - trying to "kill the killers" is not easy. I'm quite new to attempting to keep the wolf population in check ... I used to just leave them to themselves until a couple weeks ago.
My wife and 2 daughters we at the road waiting for the school bus when a huge Timber Wolf walked up within 20 yards behind them. They screamed at it and jumped back in the van - and it ran away - only to return a few moments later. The bus driver had to blow the horn to get it to leave so that the kids could get on the bus.
Now - I'm an Outfitter - and this shook me up. I immediately went on a vengence spree for a few days to kill any wolf I saw. The .270 is with me at all times. But - to no avail - they walk through our camp and there are tracks in the snow everywhere - but I never see one. Even sitting in a tree stand for hours hasn't worked.

I've seen 2 adult wolves run down a full grown adult cow moose and hang from her rear until they rip out her back end and pull the intestines out 20 yards behind her running ... when she drops - still alive - they finished her off at the throat - and 2 minutes later - trotted off together. They never touched an ounce of meat from the kill ... it was just sport. I figured they were off to get the "pack" to come back and feast - but a week later - the carcass was still there surrounded by ravens - the wolves never touched it that I could see.

I hate them - and I'll shoot any wolf I see.

Anybody out there with some good tactics on hunting them ?

Anyway - good subject - I wanted to add my 2 cents !

Take Care all.
Gary

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Gary,

keep those kids safe at the school bus stop, that is some scary business

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Hey, if the information's not out there already, I'd like to see more info about the anti-wolf coalition! Fundraisers, progress... it's all good!

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Yes me too where does a guy get info to join or at least let me no where to send money .


Keep sending the word the more of the info you guys in the field get out there the better. Iam going to start hounding the RMEF see if they will at least take a look at this you guys should start doing the same in your area. SSS

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Have you tried calling them in like you would coyotes???

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You will not get any help from the RMEF. They are pretty much pro wolf even though the introduction and propagation of the Canadian Grey wolf contradicts thier mission statement. I wrote them two letters, one to the editor section of Bugle, they printed it and simply stated that they feel the wolf is a viable part of any ecosystem. That was in on of last years issues. The letter sent directly to them had a similar response and a pretty much pro stance.

I am no longer a member after that!

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Casper Star Tribune..... Today

Jackson, Wyoming - Saturday, April 02, 2005



Feds kill five wolves

By CAT URBIGKIT
Star-Tribune correspondent Saturday, April 02, 2005




PINEDALE -- Federal wildlife officials killed five wolves in Sublette County earlier this week in response to chronic livestock depredations.

Mike Jimenez of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said the wolves were members of the Daniel wolf pack, which has been implicated in the killing of at least 21 head of livestock in the last few years. Five members of the pack were killed last year as well, and federal officials do not know how many members of the pack are still roaming.

One night last week, the wolf pack entered a Daniel-area ranch pasture where pregnant cows were located, bringing two of the animals down. One of the cows was alive but severely wounded when found early the next morning and was destroyed by the ranch owners. Both of the cows were due to give birth, as calving in the herd had already begun, doubling the losses for the ranch.

The wolves then moved to another ranch, killing a yearling cow there.

Federal wildlife officials investigated and determined that wolves were responsible for the cattle deaths, all of which occurred in private lands, Jimenez said. The Fish and Wildlife Service granted authority for the entire pack to be eliminated.

Jimenez said that on Monday, a USDA Wildlife Services crew flew the area of the last confirmed kill, spotted a pack of five wolves and was able to shoot and kill all five.

Although the Daniel pack has been in the news recently because of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department's concerns with the pack harassing elk on elk feedgrounds, control actions were undertaken based solely on the pack's livestock depredations, Jimenez said.

Rancher Stella Taylor said she and other local ranchers believe there are more wolves in the area.

"They are hanging in here," Taylor said. "There could still be more in here."

Bar W Bar Ranch Manager Merrill Dana agreed: "They only got about a third of them. We all know there are more than five wolves in the Daniel pack."

Dana said last week was the third occasion in which elk from a nearby feedground arrived on the ranch with a pack of wolves in tow.

"Every time the elk leave the feedground and come down here -- every time -- the next night, you're going to get the wolves in on you," Dana said.

Wyoming Game and Fish Department elk feedground manager Gary Hornberger said, "That particular pack was working the (nearby) Jewett elk feedground pretty hard in late February and March."

The wolves would harass the elk so much that all 678 head of elk repeatedly fled the feedground, Hornberger said.

"They were hitting them nightly," Hornberger said.

If the elk fled to the north, there wasn't much problem, according to Hornberger. But if the elk ran to the south, they ran to the private lands of Bar W Bar, increasing the possibility of elk transmitting brucellosis to cattle, in addition to bringing a pack of wolves to the cattle herd.

Aggressive action by the ranch kept the cattle and elk separated, and Hornberger added that the Game and Fish Department pushed the elk back to the feedground on several occasions.

Wolves have made their presence known on at least five other elk feedgrounds in Sublette County this winter as well, he said.

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Hey thats a good start!

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BigGameOutfitter - I can imagine such an experience would make you want to thin down the population. Northern MN has the highest pop. of timber wolves in the lower 48. People up here outside the cities have been saying for decades what many in other states are saying here and other places more recently. The wolf populations need to be thinned out and controlled.

Unfortunately, I can't recommend any techniques to increase the likelihood of your success in thinning them out. It's been a federal law making it illegal to kill or harrass timber wolves in the US because they were listed as "endangered" in the late 60's. Very big fines and prison hang over the heads of anyone who'd dare protect the people or property from them here. Something is seriously out of whack when killing a wolf that threatened you or your animals would get you more trouble than doing most anything else.

They are a very intelligent predator. Very difficult to get near, if we wered allow to hunt them. My now departed uncle Harold who hunted and trapped most of his life told how difficult it was to trap them back when they still could be trapped. Any human scent or things slightly out of the natural around bait would keep them from coming close to a trap. He said many times he'd see their tracks where they walked in big circles around the bait outside the traps, but would not step into one even if it could be seen. But I'm sure there are still a few old guys out there (maybe not on the Internet) who would know how to do it right.

In Canada, this is one thing for sure I'll agree you've got right. We'll only come back to our senses in America with grey wolves when something terrible happens between an over pop of them and people or when the nice city boys'/girls' expensive horses and the like are killed by wolves. Otherwise, they don't give a rip about what happens to people out in the country where people loose livestock, pets and wild game all the time.

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Right make it sound like the elks fault, for wolf kills[&:]
Dam feds& welfare wolfs & bleeding heart liberals breeding programs is more like it.

Dont ranchers get compasation for losses? Who plays back the hunter & other ppl of wyoming for game animals lost?

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I'll play devils advocate here and remind everyone that the Elk and Deer were doing pretty well when wolves were here the first time around. The real reason behind the diminishing herds is all the suburbs popping up where we used to hunt.

But the hunter in me says that if we have that many wolves and they cause that many problems then maybe we should have a hunting season on them. A wolves winter pelt is beautifull and I'd love to have one. It would make the coyote pelt look even more mangy than it already is. Sure they're smart but they will respond to calls just like any other predator would.

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May I make a suggestion,

We should all write evey one of our politicians. We should write the NRA, We should all write the RMEF, We should all write SCI, we should write the North American Hunting Club. If we all write letters and we make enough of a stink maybe our voices will be heard.