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Question on elk racks?
Their horns, you perverts!
Anybody out there who has an elk or three hanging on their wall could do me a real favor. Take a ruler and make one simple measure. Measure the width/spread between the respective brow tines at about the midpoint of the two tines. Post that measurement, and specifics about how big the bull was - scores, etc. I would really appreciate it. I'm trying to size up a bull's rubs from last year. FYI, the one good bull I've got, a 265 net scoring 6 by 6 has a measure of 7" between brow tines at their midpoint. |
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I'm trying to size up a bull's rubs from last year |
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IMO trying to judge a bulls rack size from rubs is like pissing in the wind....in the dark...with you hands tied...standing on your head. ;)
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dirt2 i just picked up my bull from oct 2001 . he is a 5x5 and measures 6 1/2 midway of browtines
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I have come across rubs 8' and higher, must be the spike bulls and rag horns standing on there hind feet pissing in the wind, trying to breed cows at the same time while stripping bark from trees, LOL
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Robinhood. I remember a pic that you posted a while back of a tree that was shredded higher than your brother could reach. That small spike sure has a high pressure pumper. Maybe we can tie that bull to your house and he can pressure wash your deck!!!!!
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THERE NOT HORNS THERE ANTLERS.
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Heh, yes indeed. I cant believe I let that one slip.
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Dirt2---I just measured 14 different racks, they'd score from 220-318, all 5's and 6's. There spreads were from 5" to 9-1/2" at your desired spot. elknut1
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i measured two
6x6 scored 373 b&C 9 1/4" 6x6 scored 303 b&c 7 1/2" |
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Thanks a million, bob d, elknut 1, and utahhntr! I appreciate it. For the rest of you, plphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
The bull I'm sizing up by rubs was perfectly bracketing 8 1/2" diameter lodgepoles with his HORNS, tearing bejesus out of the bark at opposite sides of the tree. On smaller trees, 7 to 7 1/2" diameter, the rubs were left in a way that made it clear the tree was "too small" for his HORNS. I mean that on the smaller trees, at the lower sweep of rubbed off bark, one side would be 12-15" lower than the other, indicating he was working first one brow tine and then the other. At least that's how I see it. He left several dozen rubs on a benchy ridgeline connecting two elk holes. Found fresh tracks in there of a huge size to indicate he's still alive this year. Judging from the excellent info you all provided, I'll guess he's going to score 300 plus this year. His tracks suggest to me that he's 5 or 6 years old. Also, I found a shed in there that had lain on the ground for a year, this shed of a 4 1/2 year old bull, by my math this shedhorn bull would be 6 years old now. Whoopee! (Note my continued stubborn insistence on saying HORNS, HORNS, HORNS! I like saying HORNS!) |
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Just checked this board for the first time in a month or so. Nevertheless, I measured the bull I took in Colorado last year in GMU 201. If I'm measuring where you indicated, it's 5 1/2". The bull was estimated to be 10 years old, was a 6 x 6, and green scored 342 (with 4 broken tines).
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ORIGINAL: Dirt2 Thanks a million, bob d, elknut 1, and utahhntr! I appreciate it. For the rest of you, plphhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The bull I'm sizing up by rubs was perfectly bracketing 8 1/2" diameter lodgepoles with his HORNS, tearing bejesus out of the bark at opposite sides of the tree. On smaller trees, 7 to 7 1/2" diameter, the rubs were left in a way that made it clear the tree was "too small" for his HORNS. I mean that on the smaller trees, at the lower sweep of rubbed off bark, one side would be 12-15" lower than the other, indicating he was working first one brow tine and then the other. At least that's how I see it. He left several dozen rubs on a benchy ridgeline connecting two elk holes. Found fresh tracks in there of a huge size to indicate he's still alive this year. Judging from the excellent info you all provided, I'll guess he's going to score 300 plus this year. His tracks suggest to me that he's 5 or 6 years old. Also, I found a shed in there that had lain on the ground for a year, this shed of a 4 1/2 year old bull, by my math this shedhorn bull would be 6 years old now. Whoopee! (Note my continued stubborn insistence on saying HORNS, HORNS, HORNS! I like saying HORNS!) If you will stop making yourself look ignorant by continuing to use the term "horns" when they are actually antlers, I have two bulls hanging here one scored 336 B&C (6x6, ~8 years old), the other 348 B&C (7x7 , cementum annuli inconclusive) with a broken brow tine. I will be happy to give the measurements you need if you will use the correct term. :D Here let me help you: Antlers are found on deer, elk, caribou and moose species Antlers grow each spring, reach full size at mating season and fall off thereafter. Antlers may be branched. Only male deer (except caribou) have antlers. Antlers are made completely of bone without a keratin covering Horns are found on antelope, sheep, goat, and muskox species Horns are permanent. Horns are not branched, but can take on bizarre shapes: spiralling twists, angular kinks. Horns may be found on most female antelopes too. Antelope horns are made of a bone core with a keratin covering. Keratin is a horny material that makes up our hair and fingernails too. |
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Brutal if we are going to be politicaly correct here on horns and antlers i can live with that because its just a little fun.
You must rmember that the pronghorn antelope is the only horned animal to shed its horn each fall soon after the rut. Now i dont know if you would call the prong a branch but it is scored sepperate. To the question at hand i measured a 360 bull and it was only 7.5 between. I think this can be a miss conception because of different antler shapes and genetics. I have seen really big bulls rub on over hanging branches on big trees. Typically the bigger the tree and the highter it is rubbed up indicates a bigger bull but not always. |
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ORIGINAL: buck59 You must rmember that the pronghorn antelope is the only horned animal to shed its horn each fall soon after the rut. Now i dont know if you would call the prong a branch but it is scored sepperate. |
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Buck59, I'm sure you're right on the variance from rack to rack, but I was just trying to get an idea. Thanks for the info.
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Brutal, I'm trying really hard to be civil and not get into a you-know-what measuring contest with you. I too used to be the kind of uptight snob (before that I was a smartass teenager) who would run around correcting people on the definition of horns and antlers. That was around the time I was getting my degree in wildlife management. Nowadays, I'm a little less anal about it. I think "antlers" sounds effete and wimpy. I think "horns" sound gnarly and tough, so I say, HORNS HORNS HORNS!
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Just think of old mossy horns, as mossy antlers. Kinda takes the grizzle out of him.
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ORIGINAL: Dirt2 Brutal, I'm trying really hard to be civil and not get into a you-know-what measuring contest with you. I too used to be the kind of uptight snob (before that I was a smartass teenager) who would run around correcting people on the definition of horns and antlers. That was around the time I was getting my degree in wildlife management. Nowadays, I'm a little less anal about it. I think "antlers" sounds effete and wimpy. I think "horns" sound gnarly and tough, so I say, HORNS HORNS HORNS! |
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