RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

I agree with you. But, I can't ignore the fact that auctioning tags off to the highest bidder like they do with sheep in Idaho brings in alot of money for research that we would not otherwise have.

I think the same thing will probably happen with grizzlies if it ever gets to that point. It may end up being money driven at first or they may auction off some tags and have others open for a general draw. But the money raised from auctioning tags could be used for research or to pay ranchers for lost livestock or bear damage etc.

Usually endangered populations are across more than one state and sometimes more than one country, I think that is why the feds want to handle management of endangered species.

In alot of cases I think more local control would be better but too much local control isn't a good thing. As you can see by some of the posts on here if the locals could manage endangered populations without federal oversight the bears would probably already be eradicated.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

I geuss what it comes down to is the fact that in wyoming if we are having a problem with grizzlies we as a state should be able to deal with it ourselves. If other states have a strong feeling against what were doing then maybe we can ship them some of these grizzlies we dont want, but what me and my fellow wyoming friends have been trying to explain is the fact that in wyoming we are having a problem with grizzlies and we want this problem dealt with, if this means selling a few tags a year to get this problem under control so be it, but i dont think that people in other states should be able to tell me how little or big a problem is and how we should deal with it. as you may have heard right now we are also dealing with wolves, finally we are doing something about it and i hope that we eventually will be doing this with grizzlies, not because i want all the grizzlies dead but i want things back under control again. Please understand that im not trying to offend those of you who think this idea is stupid. I really could care less if they have it as a hunting season or if they pay govt. trapper or what have you to take care of this problem. I hope that some of this has cleared some of the muddy water made in this argument.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

I live outside of Wyoming, but just down in Utah. When I go up to wyoming to hunt pronghorn just outside of Evanston we almost always go up to Jackson for some fishing. I have seen 23 bears in 10 different trips each one only 1-2 afternoons. I think the grizz and the wolf get taken off the list!

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

I live in idaho and I agree with the wyoming boys. BrutalAttack I don't know where you live, but you should have you a@@ kicked backed east, to a big city where it belongs. If you are so stupid to believe a book or pamphlet over actual on hands experience from people who live their day to day lives with the dam bears then you truly are ignorant. We here in Idaho and western states are tired of people who think that they know best. There is a ongoing study by experts using science to try to determan why the elk heard in yellowstone is so low. They have have tried to come up with every answer under the sun to fit the puzzle. When anyone could tell them it's the dam wolf. A lot of places in central Idaho, are silent now come september because of the wolf. It's sad to hear hunters and outfitters say they no longer hunt an area because the wolf had wiped out the heard. We the local people have tried to warn the so called educated experts. But because we base our experience on first hand accounts of what we actually see. And the fact that that most of us don't have a education from a major university back east, well then we just don't know what were talking about. My vote shoot the bears and while were at it, shoot the wolf too!
S.S.S.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

If you could read above a 5th grade level you would have seen that I was born, raised and educated in Idaho. I live and work in the woods everyday.

Please continue to make asses of yourselves it's quite amusing. Expecting to win an argument without presenting any information is also amusing.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

Well I see some pepole have a definate weggie going on here.Me being from Montana and have never set foot in Yellowstone park(Lived here all my life),I figure I will be non-judgemental.
If your not a cowboy from Wyoming,that leaves you to be a sheepherder?:D:D.
As for you Idaho guys,you know why the wind blows in Montana?Idaho blows and North Dakota sucks.:D:D
I'm just kidding.
But we all realize there is a problem with the Grizzly population,and the wolves and the buffalo.But we as sportsman have to agree the the control of these animal have to come from each in dividual state.Have their own reaserch,their own quota's and problem bear solvers.
If it stays in the hands of the Federal Gov't agencies it will never be addressed and never get solved.
What we need to do is re-release some wolves and bears into every state if we wanna have them make a come back,you know why the West is always the gunnie pig,cause it is the back door the the East,they don't wan't have to deal with the bears,the wolves or mountain lions eating their doggs,cats,Kidds but they sure will buy a summer home hear and complain about it.But it is alright to have that happen to the pepole of the west.
I don't know what needs to be done,but should start at the local Goverment and State Fish and Game agencies.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

Brutal,

To the contrary.... we aren't the ones who "know" what's real because we "read" pamphlets. We live it. I think experience trumps just reading about something. And PLEASE!!!! Don't tell anyone else that you're from Idaho.... we don't need anyone else thinking we are so gullible as you are. I read all the time about gangs in NY and LA. Am I to believe that they really do run the city? If I told you that I know all there is to know about flying because I'd read about it, could I be your pilot? It appears that you think you know all because you "read" about it in a pamphlet. If that's the case then I've got Oceanfront property to sell you right here in Idaho.....

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

There is no point to arguing this subject, Brutal will not change his beliefs and neither will anyone else. I understand that some people think that grizzlies are not harming anything and do not have the numbers to call for an open hunting season. The only thing I want stressed is that sooner or later something needs to happen and even if it's not an open hunting season, grizzlies will have to be controlled. Why? Because grizzlies have become fearless, then again they are among the most feared animals that live in the USA, and they should be. Grizzlies in Wyoming have closed campgrounds because their presence it so well known, in other areas you just don't go into if you are weary of bears. I dont want you to think im saying that every grizzly in Wyoming should be shot I'm saying that it would be nice to lower the grizzly population in certain areas where it is to high for comfort. You can argue all your points to the death but i keep saying is that as a state it will be upto you to decide the fate of the animals. As for Wyoming something needs to be done, As for me I'm sick of debating this topic.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

I will tell you guys from exsperiance that between the wolf and grizzly not being managed by the states in question or the feds, we sportsman will pay the altimate price by loosing are rights to hunt because it will become a rich man sport. One thing you must relize is that when an animal any animal becomes protected all activities get shut down like logging, mining and yes recreation and in some cases that means hunting.
Weigh the facts of no management, loss of jobs, the right to hunt, and who wins, good question.
I use to guide for an outfitter and I know all to well how blind study groups and Fish and Game Officals can be. They will not listen to what the public says in meetings because they have already got there own agenda writen up, so a lot of times public comment is all for not.
Where I guided every spring a grizlly would come in and slaughter the elk calves and as one of the largest preditors they are very wastefull because sometimes it is just a killing spree for the grizzly.

One of the best lines I have seen here was by WyoGreff.
''Because grizzlies have become fearless''

They have two studies going on right know, one with the taking of hair for DNA to get a count on grizzlies and the other with radio collared calf elk to determine wich preditor is killing the elk the most.

This is the most resent grizzly artical and it seems to becoming common in some areas of are state. So everone read all the pamphlets and reserch you want but if you live with the problem and have no say in the matter you would have a totaly different oppion.

Young lamb-killing bear caught, released

A young grizzly bear has been captured and released after killing three lambs and some chickens in the Madison Valley.

The capture took place last Thursday, said Kevin Frey, bear management specialist for the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks.

A federal Wildlife Services agent caught the 3-year-old to 4-year-old male bear with a leg snare after it had repeatedly come to a ranch in the Cedar Creek drainage southeast of Ennis.

The rancher had kept some lambs in a pen near a house, which Frey said is near a brushy creek bottom at the bottom of a timbered canyon. Grizzlies often favor such areas for travel corridors.

The bear had been coming in at night and grabbing animals, Frey said.

"It went on for a couple days," he said.

After it was snared, Frey and Wildlife Services agent Chad Hoover darted the animal, then attached a radio collar and released it near Yellowstone National Park.

The bear had never caused any known problems before, so bear management guidelines called for its release.

If it attacks livestock again, raids garbage or comes into any other conflict with people, officials will evaluate the situation again, but such an incident likely will spell doom for the bear.

"If he gets in any kind of conflict, it's probably the end for him," Frey said.

Grizzly populations are growing in the greater Yellowstone region, and it has become increasingly difficult to transplant troublesome bears.

Plus, when bears learn to associate people or buildings with easy meals, they can become dangerously aggressive, even in new territory.

Frey said there haven't been many encounters this spring with grizzlies, which are protected by the federal Endangered Species Act.

"It's been fairly quiet," he said Monday.

RE: Grizzly hunting in the lower 48
 

buck59 I looked at your backround it says your birthday is 1/1/1904 is this right?


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