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If you could change one hunting regulation, what would it be??

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That there not be two sets of laws or regs-- One for the white man and one set for the natives, or aboriginals or metis.

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I agree with saw, but I'd also like to see every white man's license fee go to the indian nations who got screwed by land grabbing pioneers and a government that never lived up to a single treaty it signed.

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The reg that only lets a person apply for one draw tag per species per year.

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Baiting and/or dogs being prohibited for hunting cougar and bear.

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And the native will pay equaly - to whom bj ?
And who is going to pay the game& fishs mulimillion dollar budgets? Peta? those you worry about offending with our hunting lifestyles that may not look ethical too all ?Do you own any land? a house? if so you could set a example(instead of just talk)& give yours up to the natives.
Its a false fact, that the goverment has never lived up to or fullfilled there end of ANY threaties . They are still being payed off today.

Theses even a small reservation( midstate ny) where they been delivering a big bag a salt yrly for the last 150 yrs or so( salt was a lot more scarse&valuable & important then)

Prehapes we should blame the ship builders& owners who transported those whites to this new world, make them pay ? Makes as much sense as the laws where the railroad has free rain of private lands ( for there minerals) if they so disire- because they where the main form of bulk transportion in the early days of OUR great nation.

Maybe all lands not in private ownership should be given up first to those natives? That be about 51% of this state.Maybe you been smoking some hippy weeds& its warped yer mind too.

I know this state dosnt do it - but how about a low cost hunting &or fishing licence to those serving in the active military.
My son just served 4 yrs overseas & no break for him& he will be going again soon. Not only that but the state wanted the taxes owed on his car he bought in germany&it is now in Tx & has never been in wy. ppl( and goverments) can talk a lot of talk about supporting the troops etc - but when it comes down to it - its more like screw them too.

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My point was that the nations got a raw deal from a government supposedly "dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal". Genocide and ethnic cleansing are what we go to war to stomp out, yet we have a long history of feathering our own nest with the bones of those who lived here first. I don't know how you make up for stealing a people's heritage or marching someone's ancestors off to a concentration camp to die. But the debt will always be there in my book. Think about those poor slobs freezing and watching their families slowly starve to death next time you feel you've been slighted by a higher license fee.

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I dont think that happened bj, because if it did there would be very few natives left in this country- all where captured (except the seminoles of fl who where in the everglades) or those who fled to canada. On the face of it & thinking with my emotions id say they did get a raw deal tho. It is because the goverment chose to bargen with them at first, before they went to war with them.
After it was declared a war- all bargining should have stoped& all treaties null& void. Instead they still gave them vast tracks of land to live on& live there lifes. No not the same lifes they did have as roving tribal warlords preying on each other( odd thing to do with so much abundance around). Many many millions of acres of property
worth billions of dollars today, not considered even parts of America ,but soverin lands& nations, within our borders.

But we have always treated our enemys well, we just have to look at the germans & japaness- who started there wars with us&we finished it .
They who (US) went at costs of blood &dollars to make them better places, rebult there democercies & lands better then before( free of tyrants, mossilnis& hitlers)- that is how we treat our former enemys.

Now if the shoe had been on the other foot & japan won , or germany or the natives & we the losers.How would things have been?- we would have not faired so well i dont think. There would have been mass murders of soilders & cilivilians i think & those left would have been used as slaves & the womon..... and they sure wouldnt have been handing out cash decades later to us as the losers.

It is time to for them to count there good fortune & get on with making there nations a better place for there ppls.
Instead of being on the dole& with there hand out & living in the past, & feeling sorry for themselfs.( a good excuse to get drunk i guess- but very counterproductive to family life& the clans future.

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Except for chief washki- who chose peace- over war. he was a good man& wise beyond his yrs.

But non of that has anything to do with licence fee increases by a bloated goverment agency.With to many chiefs& not enough indians.

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1eye, you ain't to blame for your ignorance. Seen too many John Wayne movies. You need to read some about the subject then get back to me so we can have a intellegent conversation. Lemme know, an' I'll give you a list of books about the subject. And don't believe for a minute that this was an issue about "enemies" and war. Only some of the tribes had the power to resist for very long. Even the peaceful tribes that tried to get along as neighbors were eventually relocated because the last of their shrinking lands were coveted. You my friend are a victim of the revisionist history that was taught to children for ages and reinforced by media stereotypes.

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Beaverjack, I am interested to know why you think that it should be sportsman's money that should be appropriated for that.

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Perhaps this should have been a separate topic altogether. This issue isn't about our obligations towards existing treaties, but how those century old treaties affect the present day environment. At the present time, its the white man (for lack of a better term?) who manages wildlife and fisheries populations. When treaties were first signed, wildlife management wasn't a concern during a time of limited access and low hunting pressure. Thats all changed. Most treaties allow indiscriminate taking of fish and wildlife at any time of the year. Seasons, quotas, licences are all ways to manage and monitor populations today. When you allow the unlimited harvest of a species by a group, when spawning or breeding times are taken advantage of or compromised, when an animal is taken for its tongue only, or geese or ducks for their down then that population is put in peril. The issue is one of not only equality but responsibility as well and I don't believe thats being shown.

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Thats odd jack- that was the same thing i was thinking of your liberal slanted views on the subject- i knew ya could read but figured you had to have gottin most of your ideas from holleywood etc.( the liberal media & schools teach you lopsided side bud )

Guess some of it is beyond your thinking that is ruled by emotions& false facts. Never could stand john wyane much myself Or billy jack- did he happen to be your role model?You kinda remind me of bill clintion too- im the only white man worth adam- all the rest are racist ,redneck opperssers but me- cuz im special.
Prehapes yd like to tell me how nobel natives are& in touch with the world around them? Or did that all suddenly change when the whites came? Thye are ppl period, good& bad just like anyother. They where losers of there war of aggressions. there great warriour societys of there past some are so proud of - shows great lack of value for human lifes& human freedoms. But you can stick with what You have learned ( i would think from the liberal media & liberal school systems too you spoke of ) unknowenly on your part i guess..but the typical they aare victims of the evil white society bla bla bla liberal bs . Prehapes you can also go to your congress man & demand finacial payments for them & all those blacks in america who also think they are owed something .You can play the snooty well read man all ya want or the champion of the oppressed- but it is not impressive.
you are just another liberal as far as i can see ruled by his emotions& feelings - not logic& fact.

want to tell me more about all the treaties , where not one was kept as promised?how ethnic clensing was used& genoside? Like i said , give them what you have jack your land& house etc- talk is cheap, repay your debts you think you owe& please keep the self floging& guilt feelings you have to yourself where they belong . I had a step mother like you once - very big on repayment to natives & big on guilt.... funny she to would not give up her acres of land & house etc either. socilists - with others wealth & goods only.( or big daddy warbucks/ uncles sams in washinton)( you do know where those moneys come from dont you>?)_

should i notify the nations to expect the deeds to your land& house soon?

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I do agree with you sawbill( unlike some who said they agreed but really didnt)

Things have changed very much since those treaties where written & they should be updated or changed to reflect the current times.
Why should some ppl have no rules& regs, seasons& limits , when they are for the benafit of all & the game& fish we have to share. jack( since he is living in the past/make believe land somewhere) may not agree, but i have seen natives taking what they want & selling or trading it for other things they wanted more( drug& drink)...it was not food to sustain them at all & those fish& deer where payed for by licence fees etc , that some persons dont even need a licence for & dont pay into... just another form of welfare subsidies for some., in a used& abused system.

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I've learnt that this ain't the place to go into injun stuff. Mos' people think how they're gonna think by the time they're growed, so there ain't no use in it. I ain't a bleedin' hart liberal, but I got ancestors who felt the "dark side" of injun policy, and I've read lots of well-written and researched history (and some poorly done stuff too) that never showed up in history books. Anybody capable of spoutin' off about a subject, I figure is capable of really learning what they're spoutin' off about. They jus' gotta make that choice themselfs. All this talk about what version of history is really "revisionist", jus' ask yerself who wrote the "accepted" version of history, and why it never mentions critical, undisputed incidents of indian policy that are not flattering to the government or american people. Then you realize that the truth has 2 sides, an' greed, not righteousness, has been the major influence over this aspect of american history jus' like it has in about every other realm of human behavior since the hairy men with poor posture first learnt to club each other.

Back on the subject, I'd like to see point restrictions for elk herds, less migration tags, and a later rifle season here in Wyoming. I'd also like to see a REAL primative weapons season where in-lines, scopes etc. are banned.

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Theres always 2 sides to it jack & both sides did things they shouldnt have, including the us army& goverment&natives( . but it is history fix the wrongs if you can , then you go on with the present& future. You cant change the past - by destroying the future.

It is better to bury the hatchet into the tree & share food, then into someones head if possible.

some thought custer could not hear to so too lol ,the native lady reamed his ears out good[:-] but i think he was already dead [&:]

Reading is good jack, remember dont believe all you read& its ok to have high opintions of yerself &Im sure you graduated a lot higher grade then myself& are well informed & edumakated I dit n fact get my self past 5th grade ok naw ifin i hat maddt to to jr callege mine mum would be prowd.

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I would also like my 40acres & a mule jack( think id really rather have a donkey or burro)- i will take it in thunder basin grasslands , or red desert are or mtns here or badlands or ...i could need more then 40 acres though - im only( almost) 3 away from haveing as grandkids as jimmy carter( whose smile always reminded me of a chichawaha we had once when i was a yunin.) who was attacked by a rabbit in hisboat?

regulations should aply equally in the Equality state for all who live here.

You do know billyjack dont you?

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I'am sorry if I offend any first nations people on this board but I agree with sawbill 100 %. Up here we have seen no regard towards the reproductive cycle of fish/game. ie: shooting moose cows in the spring that where about to drop calfs, placing gill nets across an entire spawing river/creek catching everything that tries to run it, etc... I have no problem with the first nations taking whatever to put food on the table or for relgious beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt the reproductive cycle and is for thier consumption/use only.

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RJ
What the hell you talkin' 'bout boy? How you figure talkin' 'bout the government marchin' native families off to Oklahoma to starve, or riding down on villages in the winter to wipe out wimmins an' chilrin to have anythin' whatsoever to do with supportin' terrorists, environmentalists or anythin' else you blabbed about? An' if by "liberal" you mean somebody favorin' liberty, then you can label me that! Last I heard, speakin' yer mind was one of those freedoms we used to have in this country til somewhars along the way somebody decided we all had to think an' vote alike to be counted as american. Jus' the kind of small-minded thinking that made Sand Creek, Wa****a, Mingo Village possible! "Let's all be scared of those who question governement actions" - where would we be if the original colonists thunk that way? Reminds me of a quote I heard recent:

"Hell no France and Germany don't deserve to get any of the contract money for rebuilding Iraq! They didn't contribute one red cent to the president's reelection campaign."

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Beaver, the US would have been part of the British Empire and North America would have been one country called Kanada (indian for village I think), which was later changed to Canada due to a spelling error by the French. (heads up,Incoming)

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I'd like to see a min. 3 pt. rule take effect, let the kids grow up!!!
I'd also like to see the natives have to pay the same fees as the white man for his hunting and fishing privilages, just because of something that happened over a 100 yr. ago the natives will continue to "milk" the system for all they can.They keep crying " woe is me", personally I'm tired of hearing it, not only do they not pay their way to hunt and fish, they abuse the freedoms given to them, taking more than they use and not even using what they do take, trading deer for beer.Your ancestors would be ashamed to see a once proud people acting in such a manner.Sorry BJ, thats just how I see it, and I've seen it often.

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Seadog, thats not at all where the name "Canada" came from so let me set the story straight for you, OK? When the europeans first settled here, they didn't know what the natives called the place. So they decided at the time the pick the name themselves. As no one could come up with anything suitable, they decided to draw letters of the alphabet from a hat and from those letters they would name the new country.
So the guy picks the first letter, a "C' . Then says, "C", eh? He picks a second letter and the guy again says, "N", eh? Then the third letter "D" and says, "D", eh?..................

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lol!;) thats how it was done ! ,yes these is prob a lot extra of vowels there to spare.eh

Guess it was shorter then" land of the beaver & sugar maple, labbats,& peameal bacon".?

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You should come over to the Hunting poltics forum maybe jack?

Liberal dosnt mean liberty - just the reverse i think more regulations, anti hunting gun,traping,& many otherthings ,liberal lawmakers.

We could talk of gun control& wacko/greenie/ enviro mental ists, elitists, leftist, rightist & commie nests etc.

god& his good hunting& things he gave us:eek: how we helpim out(no im not david koresh)

But sometimes its not a place for some-they did not get some$$$ thosefrogs&cabbge heads because they dont have troops in iraq-
You do know those ppl who come from the usa?And its ours( the taxpayers bucks)

Now i do thank& commed the Canuc ,Canadians& there ppl for sending troops to afganistain- esp with there such liberal goverment employies, in charge in Ottawa.They are our Nabors too , i got a few kin there still.

Iuse to think it was my second home Saw japan is sending in 1,000 troops&20 fixed wing craft & combat choopers( if i rememeber right)

Think it will be the first time there off there island doing things like that since ww2

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As disloyal as it seems for the frogs an' cabbage heads to not have supported Bush (notice I didn't say the USA) in attacking Iraq, you might jus' keep in mind that they were right, as it turned out. Bush's attack was based on bad information at best, lies at worse. I don't think we need hold a grudge against countries that saw thru the BS he was spewing. Although I don't like the pretenses used to attack Iraq, I'm glad those people will have a chance at democracy. But somebody once said, "Iraq will be ready for democracy when the people are ready to fight in the streets for it, not against it." True words in my mind. Hope they hang thet SOB Saddam....with barbed wire over a flaming pit to boot.

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There ya go livin in the past again jack.
I dont care the why are we there in iraq bs & poltices myself much .
Its ongoing & everyday OUR troops are there being killed& mained-OUR sons& daughters,uncles& brothers& fathers.
OUR troops arent there for the poltices or the prophets or money.

Thsoe french/germans can only help when its good for there pocket books?(good we didnt think like that during the cold war&ww2)
Yes we should rememeber that next time- without us neither would have a country or a pot to ps in.

They think they can play it safe& make money at the same time.

That to me is a true war profitier.

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Yes, our troops are there an' everbody wants to support the boys doin' the dyin'. But we have a duty to take control of our government when its obviously headed out to left field. Lyin' to the american people over things that get people kilt is far more serious than lyin' about who's mouth is tootin' the presidential pecker, yet we don't hear the uproar over these transgressions, even with such blatant graft as no-bid contracts entering the picture. Power ultimately rests with the people, and as a people, I'm sayin' I don't like bein' lied to anymore than I like abuses of power. Anybody remember Nixon?

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