Ridge Runner hunting with Bergers?
11-05-2017, 03:12 AM
#1
Typical Buck
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
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Ridge Runner hunting with Bergers?
Ridge Runner and whoever else has had long range hunting kills using Berger bullets.
What I'm going to ask I already know but it's the further end of the spectrum I'm wondering about.
I was curious on how well that small little hollow point would open at further ranges as the velocity dropped off. Yesterday I got the opportunity to finally test the 170gr .277 EOL on a bull elk at 400 yards two broadside shots. One I stuck through the shoulder and the other right behind the shoulder. Both drilled a golf ball size hole through to the other side. The one behind the ribs exited of course and the shoulder hit was laying just under the skin. So in reality perfect bullet performance. There was about a 1/3 of the left on the recovered bullet. That is a lot less bullet than I expected given the original weight, but that was blowing through two shoulder bones.
As you increase the range the bullet slows down and regardless you know your going to retain more bullet weight after impact. Now according to Berger 1800 fps is the go/no go range on fps. So here's my question.
At 7800ft in altitude starting elevation my cut off is 1200 yards at 1795 fps and 1216 ft lbs of energy. Not saying I'm ever going to shoot at a animal anywhere near that distance. My question is have you found a yardage distance where the Berger starts to not be so rapidly expanding?
I don't mind what the bullet did inside the animal. You could of put a softball through the hole in the lung. Nothing is going to live through that.
What I'm going to ask I already know but it's the further end of the spectrum I'm wondering about.
I was curious on how well that small little hollow point would open at further ranges as the velocity dropped off. Yesterday I got the opportunity to finally test the 170gr .277 EOL on a bull elk at 400 yards two broadside shots. One I stuck through the shoulder and the other right behind the shoulder. Both drilled a golf ball size hole through to the other side. The one behind the ribs exited of course and the shoulder hit was laying just under the skin. So in reality perfect bullet performance. There was about a 1/3 of the left on the recovered bullet. That is a lot less bullet than I expected given the original weight, but that was blowing through two shoulder bones.
As you increase the range the bullet slows down and regardless you know your going to retain more bullet weight after impact. Now according to Berger 1800 fps is the go/no go range on fps. So here's my question.
At 7800ft in altitude starting elevation my cut off is 1200 yards at 1795 fps and 1216 ft lbs of energy. Not saying I'm ever going to shoot at a animal anywhere near that distance. My question is have you found a yardage distance where the Berger starts to not be so rapidly expanding?
I don't mind what the bullet did inside the animal. You could of put a softball through the hole in the lung. Nothing is going to live through that.
11-05-2017, 04:57 AM
#2
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ****ifornia
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Yeah Berger is correct on their 1800fps data. Could even be a bit more depending on the bullet.
The last two animals I know of that were shot with Bergers were complete failures. I'm hoping they didn't change anything on their bullet construction.
The last two animals I know of that were shot with Bergers were complete failures. I'm hoping they didn't change anything on their bullet construction.
11-05-2017, 05:23 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
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Bergers are designed to penetrate 2" then violently expand, as long as the jacket is not compromised by fast, sharp rifling. I have kills to 840 yards on whitetails, and don't see much difference in performance at 800 vs. 500, except on close range I sometimes get either an exit, or find nothing but fragments. but they are doing what they were designed to do, maximum tissue damage. this is 140's at 3180 fps, soon as my big 7 is rebarrelled will work with 180's, and will do some loadwork with 300 hybrids in my 338 edge.
RR
edited to add: they'll expand at less than 1800 fps, but not as quickly at higher velocities, I have had the tough 160 accubonds expand at 1500, complete penetration leaving a Nickel sized exit wound. thats what you don't want with burgers is an exit, they work best if they totally expend their energy inside the animal.
RR
edited to add: they'll expand at less than 1800 fps, but not as quickly at higher velocities, I have had the tough 160 accubonds expand at 1500, complete penetration leaving a Nickel sized exit wound. thats what you don't want with burgers is an exit, they work best if they totally expend their energy inside the animal.
Last edited by Ridge Runner; 11-05-2017 at 05:40 AM.
12-08-2017, 12:01 PM
#6
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: CO
Posts: 79
I can't answer your question as to how far out these are lethal but for me, the round is lethal further than I'm comfortable taking a clean shot. I've used the 168 VLD in my 7mm WSM to take both Elk and Whitetail. Closest shot has been inside 40 yards with the longest shot inside 400 yards. Every shot has been a through and through with massive internal damage. If they didn't drop in their tracks, they didn't go far. The lethality of this round at practical hunting ranges is unquestionable.
Early on, folks had me worried this round may be too "fragile" for Elk but, that hasn't been an issue for me. I also have some 300 grain Bergers for the 338 Mag that may get called into service next season but I have the opposite worry there with those possibly not expanding as much as I'd like...
Early on, folks had me worried this round may be too "fragile" for Elk but, that hasn't been an issue for me. I also have some 300 grain Bergers for the 338 Mag that may get called into service next season but I have the opposite worry there with those possibly not expanding as much as I'd like...
