Corner jumping
12-17-2016, 03:21 PM
#61
Nontypical Buck
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The NRA does not get involved with things like you're talking about super hunt54. The big ranchers that own millions of acres have the politicians in their hip pocket and it's mostly politicians that are holding us back from getting access to OUR public land. Montana actually had a Bill introduced in their Legislature a year or two ago to allow corner crossing and it was defeated, all because of the backlash by big ranchers who cried that their property would be ruined by the public, LOL! As much as I hate to say it, IMHO this needs to be taken care of at the national level such that every state has to allow access to landlocked public property in one way or another. That is another very slippery slope to cross when you are talking about the Feds and individual state's rights. IMHO corner crossing would be the very simple one to solve in that wherever there is no legal corned marker a survey could be done and a permanent marker could be installed such that crossing there would do no damage to the private property on either side. Many corners like we're talking about are already marked. It is a whole different situation and difficult to figure out what could be done to allow access onto public property that is completely surrounded by private property. It would almost be necessary to use eminent domain to take a chunk of the private land and make it public land so that it could be legally accessed by the public if a rancher would not sell that piece voluntarily for a fair price and I doubt that will ever happen.
Jeepkid---What you have stated sounds very simple, but when you start talking politics like I mentioned in my other paragraph it's not that simple!
Jeepkid---What you have stated sounds very simple, but when you start talking politics like I mentioned in my other paragraph it's not that simple!
12-17-2016, 03:52 PM
#62
Giant Nontypical
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I understand what you're saying super hunt54, but IMHO the NRA wasn't organized to do what we're talking about even if a lot of the members asked them to get involved. Even the RMEF that I belong to that's designed to gain access to public lands mainly does it by getting donations to buy private property to allow access to the landlocked public property. I don't believe they have ever actually been involved in what we're talking about, but they might be a main organization to spearhead something like you're talking about.
For the other guys discussing this corner marking or lack of it, there is nothing on the books that says there has to be a legal survey marker of any type to designate a corner or boundary line between public and private property. Again, please try to understand that what seems to make sense to us is not so easy when you understand the politics involved in this access to public land that we're discussing here. These big ranchers have a terrific amount of political clout in the western states and it will be very difficult to right what is keeping us off OUR public land when politics and Legislators is what needs to change to open these lands to us.
For the other guys discussing this corner marking or lack of it, there is nothing on the books that says there has to be a legal survey marker of any type to designate a corner or boundary line between public and private property. Again, please try to understand that what seems to make sense to us is not so easy when you understand the politics involved in this access to public land that we're discussing here. These big ranchers have a terrific amount of political clout in the western states and it will be very difficult to right what is keeping us off OUR public land when politics and Legislators is what needs to change to open these lands to us.
12-17-2016, 04:22 PM
#63
Giant Nontypical
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Top,
That's what I'm getting at...if the corners aren't clearly marked then how is it possible to get ticketed?
You are past LE, you can't legally write a ticket based on hear-say, correct? Unless an officer watches someone go onto private property that is clearly marked it's all a moot point I would think??
That's what I'm getting at...if the corners aren't clearly marked then how is it possible to get ticketed?
You are past LE, you can't legally write a ticket based on hear-say, correct? Unless an officer watches someone go onto private property that is clearly marked it's all a moot point I would think??
12-17-2016, 05:51 PM
#64
Nontypical Buck
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Top,
That's what I'm getting at...if the corners aren't clearly marked then how is it possible to get ticketed?
You are past LE, you can't legally write a ticket based on hear-say, correct? Unless an officer watches someone go onto private property that is clearly marked it's all a moot point I would think??
That's what I'm getting at...if the corners aren't clearly marked then how is it possible to get ticketed?
You are past LE, you can't legally write a ticket based on hear-say, correct? Unless an officer watches someone go onto private property that is clearly marked it's all a moot point I would think??
RR
12-17-2016, 07:02 PM
#65
Giant Nontypical
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exactly! here on a 4 way corner (where 4 properties join) there is a 5/8's" rebar drove in the ground, it is capped with a plastic cap bearing the surveyors name and number, actually on every turn in a surveyed line, even if its one degree, there is a capped rebar, or other marking such as a planted stone.
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12-18-2016, 05:11 AM
#67
Nontypical Buck
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sounds to me like the western G&F depts. need to get off their cans and do their jobs, government uses eminent domain to access any place for the better of a majority, its how they build roads, flood control dams, put in power stations, etc .
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12-18-2016, 05:26 AM
#68
Giant Nontypical
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That may well be the case in WV and some other states. I know there is exactly as you described on the sw corner of the 20 acres I own up in northern MI where three other property corners adjoin mine. However, it's not that way in Wyoming and a lot of the other western states.
Thankfully I've never had a problem since the ranchers where I hunt aren't too concerned if someone steps on their land for a few feet to access public ground. Being so boneheaded about it could actually be counter productive because if they prevent the public from hunting public land then I can see to that leading to some deer/pronghorn/elk being shot out of their hay meadows in spite. Not condoning such actions mind you, but I could see it happening especially on some of the bigger places where the meadows may be 5 or 6 miles from the ranch house. Some of these ranches are more than 100,000 acres.
01-18-2017, 10:42 AM
#69
Nontypical Buck
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Topcon surveying instruments possess submeter accuracy.
01-18-2017, 11:16 AM
#70
Fork Horn
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A GPS unit may be accurate to 12 feet but that doesn't necessarily mean it can locate a property corner with that kind of accuracy. It would depend more so on the map that you're using, or the coordinate you're using for that particular corner. Most maps used in GPS units are based off county assessor's maps, and plenty of times I've seen where their property corners and/or lines are off by three to four hundred feet. So I sure wouldn't count on a GPS getting you within 12 feet of the actual property corner.