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Oldtimr 02-03-2015 09:17 AM

Don't mess with moose
 
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...707386&fref=nf

redgreen 02-03-2015 09:31 AM

Moose should have stomped his sorry arse into the dirt. That is clearly a case of harassing wildlife with a motor vehicle.

DARKSIDE55 02-03-2015 09:51 AM

I'm for the Moose. What and nut. Up here that would get you a 3000.00 fine caught.

Oldtimr 02-03-2015 10:06 AM

It is illegal in PA as well. I was rooting for the mose.

Muley Hunter 02-03-2015 11:33 AM

As someone who's been attacked by moose when I did nothing wrong. I'm not sure the guy was wrong. He came up on the moose while riding a trail. The moose could have left the trail at anytime. Being a typical moose it decided to stop and attack instead.

It's not like the rider was chasing it through the timber.

Any other animal....deer, elk, bear etc would have just ran off the trail.

Oldtimr 02-03-2015 11:52 AM

I have to disagree Muley, it appeared the snowmobile riders were trying to catch up to the moose, under the law that is chasing it. The last thing wildlife needs in winter is to burn up needed calories by running because some nitwits thought it would be fun to chase after it with a snowmobile and video it. How much winter fat reserve do you think that moose burned up because of those clowns? Even more egregious if she was carrying a calf. People have the ability to make cognicient decisions, moose do not. Those people could have at any time stopped chasing after that moose, they could have stopped and given it an opportunity to go into the woods. Animals are like people, they take the path of least resistance and it is easier for moose and deer to walk on a road with snow packed down by snowmobile traffic than to walk in the loose snow and in that respect snowmobiling can help wildlife. In my state, there would have been no question about prosecuting those people, it would have happened had they got caught. Of course it would nice for a WCO to see the movie they made of their own antics and present it in court. One should never film themselves violating the law, it could produce a result they were not wanting.

Muley Hunter 02-03-2015 12:01 PM

I'd like to talk to him before condemning him. He might just be a clueless dummy.

He a snowmobiler, and not a hunter. He may not know what he was doing.

If he was chasing it. Then he deserves the scare he got.

Topgun 3006 02-03-2015 03:54 PM

Good golly Pete! First off, they were running down that moose going full bore after him. Couldn't you see him running and them trying to catch up to him? The poor thing finally ran out of gas and had to take a stand and the guy still rode up instead of immediately stopping and giving the bull a chance to retreat. You also have no idea to say the guy or woman who had the pistol weren't hunters even though they weren't hunting at the time. I saw another video of this same sort of harassment and the guy ended up shooting the moose a bunch of times with a handgun and then took off in the video and left it there to die without even calling the DNR. I believe that video was turned into authorities and they may be looking for them. In both instances the people involved should be ticketed!

Muley Hunter 02-03-2015 04:30 PM

I agree if that's the case. I just don't like to jump to conclusions. I would have liked to see what led up to what we saw.

Do they deserve a ticket? Yes, of course. Did they realize what they were doing? I'm not sure.

The fact that they put the video out there for all to see shows they're clueless of what they did.

Mickey Finn 02-03-2015 04:35 PM

I'd say they were harassing wildlife.

Phil from Maine 02-03-2015 05:47 PM

They have been able to nail some of these folks that do this stuff if found to be in our state.. there was a case where someone actually was video taping another guy that was shooting at a moose with a hand gun while on a sled.. While I forget what state it was actually done.. The individuals were tracked down and had to face the consequences for their actions.. Sometimes you tube and the like can be a great tool to capture these people with..

gjersy 02-03-2015 08:17 PM

What a jerk, they thought it was real neat to video tape there harassing of an animal!? Hope that sorry joker got a stiff fine.

jerry d 02-05-2015 03:32 AM

How can anyone watch that and not say the rider wasnt running the moose?? If he didn't want to fool with it he would have stop riding and let the moose go on its way.

Muley Hunter 02-05-2015 07:09 AM

Running it on purpose, or just not knowing better is the question.

Oldtimr 02-05-2015 07:19 AM

It was on purpose, otherwise they would have cranked back the throttle and stopped, not knowing any better is of little consequence and would be no defense to a prosecution. Somewhere during that chase a thing called common sense should have kicked in and told those idiots that chasing an animal with a machine for their amusement was wrong, no matter if they were hunters or paper hangers. There is no excuse for what they were doing.

Muley Hunter 02-05-2015 07:38 AM

I didn't know you had mind reader powers? You're amazing.

How about this. He's out for a ride, and is amazed there's a moose running on the trail. He follows it, because he just wants to watch the moose, and doesn't realize he's doing anything wrong.

Stop thinking like a hunter. Not everybody knows it's wrong to chase a wild animal. To prove that point. Many people got tickets, because their dog chased wild animals. When you talk to them they had no clue it was wrong.

jerry d 02-05-2015 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4183597)
Running it on purpose, or just not knowing better is the question.

Irrelevant youre suppose to know what the law is!!!!! Its still harassing wildlife whether a person knows bettr or not!

Oldtimr 02-05-2015 08:25 AM

Nonsense! I don't have to be a mind reader to know the idiots were chasing the moose on purpose, I saw it and I heard the engine, never once did it slow down until the moose stopped. I don't care one whit if they knew they were wrong, it is one of those situations where if they didn't know whatr they were doing was wrong, they should have. I am not thinking like a hunter, I am thinking like someone who knows it was wrong and stupid to do what they were doing, also illegal and I really hope their facebook posting gets them caught and prosecuted.

Muley Hunter 02-05-2015 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by jerry d (Post 4183608)
Irrelevant youre suppose to know what the law is!!!!! Its still harassing wildlife whether a person knows bettr or not!

I never said it wasn't. I actually said he should get a ticket. Not everybody knows all the laws. That's why wardens write thousands of tickets to hunters. Hunters should know the laws.

jerry d 02-05-2015 08:59 AM

Absolutely!

Oldtimr 02-05-2015 09:32 AM

They also write a whole lot of tickets to non-hunters as well. It isn't only hunters who should know the laws, everyone should know the laws that deal with the activity they are involved in. Muley, you stated those folks should be cited, but you aren't convinced they knew they were violating the law. I am having a hard time finding our disagreement. My position is they should be cited and that ignorance is not a defense, nor should it be. Perhaps the difference is you believe being ignorant of laws should carry some mitigation and I don't.

Muley Hunter 02-05-2015 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Oldtimr (Post 4183620)
They also write a whole lot of tickets to non-hunters as well. It isn't only hunters who should know the laws, everyone should know the laws that deal with the activity they are involved in. Muley, you stated those folks should be cited, but you aren't convinced they knew they were violating the law. I am having a hard time finding our disagreement. My position is they should be cited and that ignorance is not a defense, nor should it be. Perhaps the difference is you believe being ignorant of laws should carry some mitigation and I don't.

We both agree that they were wrong, and should be cited. I never argued that. I also feel everybody should know the laws. I'm actually very picky about that.

I'm just having a hard time hanging the guy for doing it on purpose. Maybe he did, and if that's the case the moose probably taught him a lesson for screwing with a moose.

redgreen 02-05-2015 10:33 AM

Best part of that video was when the moose put the boots to him. I was waiting for him to go down and the moose doing the Newfie stomp.

msteele711 02-05-2015 11:21 AM

Problem is his actions could have caused eventual harm to the Moose if he had to shoot it...have seen those other videos of Axehats shooting Moose to "defend" themselves. Wish the Moose had broken his sled or something.

Bad choices and to top it off lets post videos of bad choices on the internet to get advertising points.


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