Nonresident hunters rights
11-22-2013, 12:38 PM
#1
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NW Arkansas
Posts: 43
Nonresident hunters rights
I have watched over the years. It seem that the nonresident hunter is losing his right and they is no one to stand up for the nonresident hunter.
The Lobbyist, outfitters are make the rules. The rules say they are no tags in this unit for you!! But will let you apply for this (one) only.
But yet, we as nonresident supply a larger % of their annual budget.
Is there an organization that represents the nonresident hunter?
If there is an organization I would be glad to donate, in the interest of the nonresident hunter. As nonresidents we need to buy our own lobbyist that represents the nonresident hunter is the only way changes will be made.
For instants (the old )to hunt the wilderness Wyoming you must use an outfitter.
Also that can not apply for this tag, in most states 10 % in few units.
In most cases those tags are issued are used on federal lands money.
There's a large %of the nonresidents Hunter's out there that would like the opportunity to hunt some of these units. We all want the same thing the chance to hunt.
The Lobbyist, outfitters are make the rules. The rules say they are no tags in this unit for you!! But will let you apply for this (one) only.
But yet, we as nonresident supply a larger % of their annual budget.
Is there an organization that represents the nonresident hunter?
If there is an organization I would be glad to donate, in the interest of the nonresident hunter. As nonresidents we need to buy our own lobbyist that represents the nonresident hunter is the only way changes will be made.
For instants (the old )to hunt the wilderness Wyoming you must use an outfitter.
Also that can not apply for this tag, in most states 10 % in few units.
In most cases those tags are issued are used on federal lands money.
There's a large %of the nonresidents Hunter's out there that would like the opportunity to hunt some of these units. We all want the same thing the chance to hunt.
11-22-2013, 03:01 PM
#2
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Buffalo, WY
Posts: 992
A disjointed rant if ever I read one.
I suggest you hire a very expensive attorney and sue the state of Wyoming.
And while you are at it go after CO, MT, UT, NM, ID, AZ, NV. Oops...... Forgot AK.
Apologies if I've left anyone out.
That should keep you busy.
I suggest you hire a very expensive attorney and sue the state of Wyoming.
And while you are at it go after CO, MT, UT, NM, ID, AZ, NV. Oops...... Forgot AK.
Apologies if I've left anyone out.
That should keep you busy.
11-22-2013, 10:01 PM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,230
Who is preventing you from hunting these areas? Tags are available and the game is there but as a non-resident you will pay more for the privilege of hunting it. There is no such thing as a right to hunt other states. It is a privilege, not a right.
Are you aware that every state charges a non-resident much more than what it charges a resident to hunt? For instance, you're from Arkansas and Arkansas is really well known for hunting waterfowl, especially mallards in flooded timber. Let's do a comparison of resident vs non-resident costs for that.
A Resident Wildlife Conservation License which would allow you to hunt ducks is $10.50. For a non-resident to hunt ducks the cheapest license it would be the Nonresident 5-Day Small Game Hunting License at a cost of $55.00. Then we have to toss in the Arkansas waterfowl stamp which costs a resident $7.00 but costs a non-resident $35.00. See the difference in costs? You can hunt a flock of ducks for $17.50 and it would cost me $90.00 to hunt that same flock of birds. Every state does this. if you don't believe me, go to the individual state's websites and look at the license fees.
By the way, the courts have ruled that the game in the individual states belongs to, and is the responsibility of, the states. Therefore, the residents of those states (whom the game depts. work for) enjoy the benefit of resident costs vice non-resident cost. You, as a resident of Arkansas do not have the right to tell WY or MT, or CO, or NY, or FL how to manage their wildlife. It is what it is, deal with it.
Are you aware that every state charges a non-resident much more than what it charges a resident to hunt? For instance, you're from Arkansas and Arkansas is really well known for hunting waterfowl, especially mallards in flooded timber. Let's do a comparison of resident vs non-resident costs for that.
A Resident Wildlife Conservation License which would allow you to hunt ducks is $10.50. For a non-resident to hunt ducks the cheapest license it would be the Nonresident 5-Day Small Game Hunting License at a cost of $55.00. Then we have to toss in the Arkansas waterfowl stamp which costs a resident $7.00 but costs a non-resident $35.00. See the difference in costs? You can hunt a flock of ducks for $17.50 and it would cost me $90.00 to hunt that same flock of birds. Every state does this. if you don't believe me, go to the individual state's websites and look at the license fees.
By the way, the courts have ruled that the game in the individual states belongs to, and is the responsibility of, the states. Therefore, the residents of those states (whom the game depts. work for) enjoy the benefit of resident costs vice non-resident cost. You, as a resident of Arkansas do not have the right to tell WY or MT, or CO, or NY, or FL how to manage their wildlife. It is what it is, deal with it.
Last edited by flags; 11-22-2013 at 10:03 PM.
11-23-2013, 03:20 AM
#5
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Buffalo, WY
Posts: 992
11-23-2013, 05:13 AM
#6
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Don't give me that line that you pay more to hunt here either. All the local hunters I know would gladly pay more for the tags if they could hunt every year. I know I would.
I'd like to see all the residents get their tags first, and whatever is left over they can sell to NR hunters.
It's bull that I can hunt my own backyard, because some hunter cross the country took my tag.
You want to hunt out west? Move here.
11-23-2013, 05:37 AM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: WY
Posts: 2,056
There's a simple solution: If you don't like your present hunting situation, then change it. Take some responsibility - don't blame it on someone or something else. Call the moving company Monday morning.
We all make choices. I choose to live where people aren't stacked on top of each other, where the jobs typically don't pay as much, where my kid has access to only one four-year university (meaning, my checkbook has one non-resident university tuition option - I just finished paying for one out-of-state degree, the $25,000 extra it cost would've bought a lot of tags, wouldn't it?), where I have to drive for two hours to get to a major airport, where medical specialists are also hours away, where the wind blows almost constantly, where real estate and gas generally cost less, and where it just so happens that my hunting tags don't cost a lot and I have lots of public land to chase game on.
Nothing's stopping you but your own preference not to live here. Buck up.
I know lots of nonresident hunters who don't share your sentiment. They don't show up lording over how much they "contribute to the economy" - rather, how "glad they are to be away from their crazy lives for awhile." Maybe you're hunting for the wrong reason to begin with?
We all make choices. I choose to live where people aren't stacked on top of each other, where the jobs typically don't pay as much, where my kid has access to only one four-year university (meaning, my checkbook has one non-resident university tuition option - I just finished paying for one out-of-state degree, the $25,000 extra it cost would've bought a lot of tags, wouldn't it?), where I have to drive for two hours to get to a major airport, where medical specialists are also hours away, where the wind blows almost constantly, where real estate and gas generally cost less, and where it just so happens that my hunting tags don't cost a lot and I have lots of public land to chase game on.
Nothing's stopping you but your own preference not to live here. Buck up.
I know lots of nonresident hunters who don't share your sentiment. They don't show up lording over how much they "contribute to the economy" - rather, how "glad they are to be away from their crazy lives for awhile." Maybe you're hunting for the wrong reason to begin with?
Last edited by homers brother; 11-23-2013 at 05:40 AM.
11-23-2013, 05:46 AM
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,780
Even though it is Federal land nobody wants to see the Federal government in charge of all hunting on these lands. The states pay for some of the costs of administering the laws of these lands, and all of the game belongs to the state.
The states set their own fee schedules, and voters are much more important than non-voters.
However, I do think that all US citizens should have equal chances of drawing tags on Federal land - after veterans of the U.S. armed forces have all received their tags.
The states set their own fee schedules, and voters are much more important than non-voters.
However, I do think that all US citizens should have equal chances of drawing tags on Federal land - after veterans of the U.S. armed forces have all received their tags.
Last edited by Big Uncle; 11-23-2013 at 05:55 AM.
11-23-2013, 07:19 AM
#9
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Buffalo, WY
Posts: 992
Actually it's a moot point.
The western G&F departments aren't going to lower nonresident license fees and the people who live elsewhere aren't going to move here just to get cheap resident tags. They will go on paying the high tag prices and spending a couple weeks a year dropping a lot of money at businesses in little mountain towns.
No matter how much bitching goes on by people like bowedark nothing is going to change.
The western G&F departments aren't going to lower nonresident license fees and the people who live elsewhere aren't going to move here just to get cheap resident tags. They will go on paying the high tag prices and spending a couple weeks a year dropping a lot of money at businesses in little mountain towns.
No matter how much bitching goes on by people like bowedark nothing is going to change.
11-23-2013, 07:23 AM
#10
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 797
You can't lump all Outfitters into this statement either because they are the ones lobbying for non resident hunters to get more tags so they can take your money too. Outfitters love non residents it does not work the other way around. They are your lobbyists fact. The best thing is to get each state's wildlife agency to manage herds for quantity not quality then you have enough animals for everyone to hunt. Opps but then all the trophy hunters bitch about quality. Good luck with your endeavors of convincing anyone of agreeing on one subject.