670 yard Mule Deer
#81
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,619
It's simple. Nobody should be taking a really long shot, period, end of argument.
Notice that "long" is a relative term? There's to "long" for the weapon, be it a recurve, compound, shotgun, muzzleloader, rifle etc. and to "long" for the guy holding the weapon.
To you guys getting "close" at 200 yards, for me where I hunt that's as good as a country mile, the amount of places I can see 200 yards is almost nothing. In fact to find a gun range in this area with more than 125-150 yard range is pretty rare!
It's all relative. Nobody should shoot from "to far". Where that's defined by 1) Your skills and 2) the limits of your weapon.
Stay inside both of those and more power to you!
I'd love to learn long range shooting, I'd probably never need it in New England, but it would be fun to learn!
Notice that "long" is a relative term? There's to "long" for the weapon, be it a recurve, compound, shotgun, muzzleloader, rifle etc. and to "long" for the guy holding the weapon.
To you guys getting "close" at 200 yards, for me where I hunt that's as good as a country mile, the amount of places I can see 200 yards is almost nothing. In fact to find a gun range in this area with more than 125-150 yard range is pretty rare!
It's all relative. Nobody should shoot from "to far". Where that's defined by 1) Your skills and 2) the limits of your weapon.
Stay inside both of those and more power to you!
I'd love to learn long range shooting, I'd probably never need it in New England, but it would be fun to learn!
and your right, long range shooting is a challenging and fun sport, but once your consistently putting a bullet on paper where it needs to be, if your doing it right you have several thousand dollars in equipment and expense, so why not put the ability to use in the hunting field. in 1981 I also thought shooting game at long range was a matter of luck, but I know better now, its the simpleist form of rocket science known to man, takes practice but its not that diffacult.
RR
#82
I don't think the question is, are you capable of making the shots. Not with me anyway.
My question is........is it hunting,or shooting?
Look at it this way. Lets say you take someone who's an expert target shooter. Lets even say he's an ex sniper. One of the best. However, he has never hunted.
Now set him on a high ridge, and tell him. Glass for an animal, and when you see one. Shoot it. He does it, and the animal is dead at 700 yds.
Is he a hunter, or a shooter? Look at it with an open mind from every-bodies view, and give us your answer.
My question is........is it hunting,or shooting?
Look at it this way. Lets say you take someone who's an expert target shooter. Lets even say he's an ex sniper. One of the best. However, he has never hunted.
Now set him on a high ridge, and tell him. Glass for an animal, and when you see one. Shoot it. He does it, and the animal is dead at 700 yds.
Is he a hunter, or a shooter? Look at it with an open mind from every-bodies view, and give us your answer.
#83
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,619
why does it matter so much to you? you hunt with peep sights, so do I at times, but there are times when in order to have a successful hunt I need to be able to cover a lot of realestate, or go home frustrated from rutting bucks running crazy never giving more than a fleeting glimpse of horn. some folks put a lot of emphasis on stalking and stillhunting, being 73% deaf from heretary hearing loss I'm not well suited to be successful at spitting distance on game, so I emphasize marksmanship in my hunting more that stalking/stillhunting, I hunt with the method that I'm best at and gives me more success.
RR
RR
#84
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,619
muley, I have always saw your side, the problem we have is you refuse to see mine, I have never talked down to you for how you hunt, can you say the same?
in this pic am I a hunter or a shooter?
can it vary from day to day?
RR
in this pic am I a hunter or a shooter?
can it vary from day to day?
RR
Last edited by Ridge Runner; 10-24-2013 at 04:35 PM.
#85
Ok, I was just busting your chops, but I get carried away with that sometimes.
No harm meant. Yes, you're a hunter.
You have to admit though. My example of a non hunting sniper was more a shooter, than a hunter? That could happen, and he could have the elk on his wall.
No harm meant. Yes, you're a hunter.
You have to admit though. My example of a non hunting sniper was more a shooter, than a hunter? That could happen, and he could have the elk on his wall.
#86
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,619
Ok, I was just busting your chops, but I get carried away with that sometimes.
No harm meant. Yes, you're a hunter.
You have to admit though. My example of a non hunting sniper was more a shooter, than a hunter? That could happen, and he could have the elk on his wall.
No harm meant. Yes, you're a hunter.
You have to admit though. My example of a non hunting sniper was more a shooter, than a hunter? That could happen, and he could have the elk on his wall.
RR
#87
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Buffalo, WY
Posts: 992
Back in the day I took a couple pals out to shoot some antelope. My friends and I trained together as LE snipers regularly. These boys were good. We all shot bucks at ridiculous ranges over the course of a week or so. These guys didn't hunt and would never have called themselves hunters. I was a lifelong hunter. None of what we did could be rightfully called hunting. We wanted to take some really hard shots and I knew where to find some really cool targets.
Hunting? Not hardly. That's the difference as I see it.
Could this same crew have hunted elk in dark timber and all taken a bull? Doubt it.
Hunting? Not hardly. That's the difference as I see it.
Could this same crew have hunted elk in dark timber and all taken a bull? Doubt it.
#88
I guess it boils down to what are our personal definitions of hunting skills? Some think it's being good at glassing. Some say it's knowing where to put a tree stand. Some say it's tracking an animal. It goes on and on, and no one has the exact same list. So, we'll probably never agree.
#89
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eastern wv
Posts: 3,619
I guess it boils down to what are our personal definitions of hunting skills? Some think it's being good at glassing. Some say it's knowing where to put a tree stand. Some say it's tracking an animal. It goes on and on, and no one has the exact same list. So, we'll probably never agree.
I guess it boils down to what are our personal definitions of hunting skills?
RR
#90
Our definition of what we believe are hunting skills doesn't have to be the same as what we use. I can appreciate certain hunting skills, but don't use them.
This is what we believe, so there's no right,or wrong. It's sort of like what we like to eat. I could love what you hate.
This is what we believe, so there's no right,or wrong. It's sort of like what we like to eat. I could love what you hate.