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Fair Chase vs High Fence Hunting Debate?

Old 12-15-2012, 08:20 AM
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To each their own. As stated, size of enclosure can be a factor. I'm not sure dropping an animal at 600 yards is really fair chase either, though it is either some very good or lucky shooting.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:19 AM
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Have not tried high fence. Or big money for access out side of fence.
Have raised animals and killed them. would i take money for some one to shoot one?.
Seen a couple places that raise deer. People make it worth their while. If its legal its not my business if animals are kept in fence and not neglected. As well as monitored reasonably for disease.
At least people are not hammering them with cars.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:51 AM
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Never been inside a fence after a critter nor have I been on a guided hunt. From what I have seen some guided hunts are no better than fenced hunts. The guide does all the work and hunting while the client tags along and pulls the trigger. Not quite the same but close.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:36 PM
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First of all this post was not or ever will be intended for those who served our country, fought for our freedoms and lost the ability to walk. It is for those who have their health that have choices,but choose to get a unfair advantage on a animal. Second I do not drink and the reason for this post is the amount of posts I have read on here with the canned hunts involved. I see these guys bragging and even stretching the truth about the way that the animals were taken. The point I'm trying to get across is that there is a reason why BC & PY have these rules set in place, it keeps some respect in our sport. We have already lost a generation of kids to our sport because money is more important to some then takeing a kid outdoors and just letting him or her enjoy gods gifts to us. Someday only a select few will even be able to hunt because of the money and these fenced operations want it that way. I work nights thats why I psoted it at that time not because I was drinking. I'm a blue collar worker and don't want to see the greed of money take down my heritage of the hunt! As far as the opinion from Darkside55, this post was not rediculous because it is growing in our country and one day sir possibly your children or grandchildren won't be able to afford the experience either. I will say my hat is off to you and your friends for taking that soldier on a hunt, he deservesd it and more!
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:27 PM
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I'm not a big fan of high fence operations, but what someone wants to do with their own land or money is none of my business and certainly no skin off of my backside. I do feel pretty strongly though that anything shot inside one of those should not count as a record or be given any kind of award/prestige other than just plain bragging. As far as the TV part of your post goes i you want to see a real hunting show check out Sasquatch Legend of the Mountain Man with Laramy Miller!
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:46 PM
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The "Book" is one of the things that I wish never existed! IMHO all they are for is for a bunch of people to have their name in them, rather than to honor the animal itself and that's originally why they were established!!!
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:41 PM
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Thank You topgun, that was my point we lost sight of the chase, once again MONEY. The records are eventually going to get so polluted that I for one cant use my imagination the way I used to thinking about that giant! Slinging Slugs you made me smile with that sasquatch crap. I dont know what it is but I watch it I guess because its hard to believe that they actually have a show about it. I do laugh when I watch and my wife hates me watching it but it just amazes me with some of the things they say. When they found the dead doe in the woods right over the side of a gaurd rail along a road and said that it was a squatch kill because the leg was crushed , thats the powerful jaws crushing it? The millions of us hunters in the woods in the snow and never seen a track ? Thats some great TV ! LMAO
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly13 View Post
Slinging Slugs you made me smile with that sasquatch crap. I dont know what it is but I watch it I guess because its hard to believe that they actually have a show about it. I do laugh when I watch and my wife hates me watching it but it just amazes me with some of the things they say. When they found the dead doe in the woods right over the side of a gaurd rail along a road and said that it was a squatch kill because the leg was crushed , thats the powerful jaws crushing it? The millions of us hunters in the woods in the snow and never seen a track ? Thats some great TV ! LMAO
It's just the hosts nickname, it's about a guy that does everything the old frontiers way. No actual giant primates involved, lol.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:40 PM
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High fence no fence there is fencing everywhere and isn’t the concern what needs to be addressed is us not standing together supporting the sport but nit picking at each other over who’s doing it right. I don’t care how you hunt as long as you do it ethically and you support hunting and Pro hunting orgs. I mean if you really want to nitpick anyone shooting a rifle is using unfair advantage because you can take animals that are not in sight or hearing distance and have ability to clue them to your presence. How many people dose that encompass...90%. But id rather have that 90% voting with me to give our voices power then separate amongst ourselves and fall to guys with big pockets and political objectives. I personally believe that we are making it to easy and we keep developing faster then nature can keep up. But I will not cast a stone at a fellow hunter who is a good steward to the sport but can only afford the time for a " Fence Hunt"
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:20 PM
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Pretty much says it all for me:

Hunting-Is fair really fair?

Humans are the only sensitive predator. I am sure a wolf is indifferent when he hears the plea of a sheep stuck in the fence. When I hunt, I assess the situation. My heart tells my head and my head sends a message to my trigger finger. I pull. I pray my take expires quickly. When it's fair, I know. When it's not, I also know. The meat tastes the same either way. So please explain why my personal choice is a threat to you.

I am not about killing the biggest. I am not about killing more than I'm allotted. I am not about bringing my craft into the public arena for all to view. I do what I do for myself and nobody else-I have fun and enjoy the experience. I do not and will not compete with you. Likewise, you should not compete with me; you are hunting for the wrong reasons if you do.

Where am I going with this? I have noticed a huge discussion going on within the hunting community. The talk, the debate, and the buzz have concentrated mainly on the concept of fair chase and those elements which define fair chase. It's only fair if we do it this way or that. We are nobody, or worse yet "scum", if we do not do it the Barta Way or as the Drury Brothers would have us. We make competitions when and where there is no need for competition-there are too many variables associated with hunting to level any playing field (e.g. the difference between individuals).

I, therefore, pose the question is fair really fair? What's fair about men deploying a multitude of tools and techniques to dispatch animals? It's not like we simply chase them down while bare naked and sink our teeth into their jugulars. Ever hear of the 1000 yard rifle shot, or the bow that sends arrows 350 feet per second? What about the hordes which drive game to their demise? Bait, tree stands, fence, disabled shooters shooting from a vehicle, pick one and run the gauntlet! Watch how many ego strokers switch as you pass! Seriously, is your ego so large and/or insecure that you cannot let a little boy (or another grown man) hunt and have fun? Does he really have to do it your way? My son, for example, who suffered a stroke in uterus, is not me! He cannot do the same things-his abilities are different! How is that fair? If I were to take him to a safe controlled environment, say a 20,000 acre high fence operation, there are those who would rake both him and me over the coals! Why? Everyone knows his trophy will never make it in the so called fair chase book, right? Who cares! Yet, I am forced to listen to your, "thats not fair speech!" Youre darn tooting-thats not fair! No father should have to carry his son from the truck to the ground blind!

I find it strange. In the fishing community we have commercial fishermen, bait fishermen, and fly fishermen-all employ different techniques to yield fish. And yet, within this community, they are still referred to as fishermen. In the hunting brotherhood, there are those who would say a person who uses bait to attract and kill bears is not a hunter. If he pre-meditates the demise of a particular bear, is he not hunting? How absurd is that? Why is a person who sits in a tree stand not a hunter? These and many more are the questions I continually ask myself. Its almost to the point where, as a hunter, Im afraid to take to the woods! Are my rocks round enough? Is my bow too slow? Is my knife not sharp enough? Why should I be looking over my shoulder and made to feel guilty for doing it my way? I purchased the tag; I just want to legally hunt within the established guidelines and have fun-no more, no less.

I am a hunter-there is no denying it! I am also a shooter; I trap; I employ rocks; I use knives or whatever means available. I kill animals (I also conserve and preserve them-the epitome of a love/hate relationship)! I stack the odds in my favor. I take advantage whenever I can. There is nothing truly fair about it! It is my way! Again I ask why? Hell, I do not know! Maybe its the result of some deep rooted trick innately given to me by my ancestors- those folks who slaughtered animals by running them off cliffs. Maybe its simply because I can ( or cant-too slow and fat to chase things down)!

I have killed animals both inside and outside fence. When it was "fair", for me, one placement (inside/outside) was neither easier nor harder than the other. Have I been on a guaranteed hunt? Sure, there was that one time when I closed the door on the coop and broke a few chicken's necks! I selectively stalked and culled non-laying hens-I killed/hunted them with my bare hands. It was a task that had to be done. I have hunted on islands. I have hunted deserts-sat at waterholes. I have hunted on mountain tops. I have hunted in areas constrained by certain natural anomalies. I have in essence employed every technique in the book-at least to my knowledge! "Time", not fairness, it seems, was/is always a major factor contributing to my success. If I have time, I am 100% successful-my prey has zero chance. If I don't, I can and often go home empty handed. Yeah, hunting/shooting, whatever you want to call it, for me at least, is just a matter of time. And, thats not fair when I have more time than you! Hell, if I had all the time in the world, I'd kill every animal in Australia! Where can they go? Chances are they won't swim to Europe! Are they not trapped, penned, or confined? How hard could it be, right? If my legs were just a little longer, I could cover more ground faster. What if I didnt have legs? Yep, time, not fair! "Fair chase" is in your heart. Search for the definition there! Do not deny the fact that you are a killer-sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do! Your abilities are not mine, nor are mine the same as yours. Introduce that sporting degree of difficulty which suits your style and leave me to mine. Just know, I've never been bothered by the failure to measure my trophies against those of another man. Seems to me that would take the fun/love out of "my" hunting!

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