Wolves
05-27-2011, 12:37 PM
#1
Giant Nontypical
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 6,575
Wolves
Came across this website, thought I'd pass it on.
Lobo Watch, talks about the wolves in the ID,WY,MT area etc...
take a look.
http://www.lobowatch.com/
Lobo Watch, talks about the wolves in the ID,WY,MT area etc...
take a look.
http://www.lobowatch.com/
05-27-2011, 01:28 PM
#3
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 119
I've said it before ,the wolves they brought in are not endangered, the original wolves are.And there are still a few in the lower 48. A group like this could become a non-profit and use that status to access the same funds to fight this. A suit stating these wolves are the greatest threat to the species that should be there would have to be looked at in the courts, but if we won the government could find it's self in the position of being required to remove these wolves to protect the genetics of the original species.
Alex
Alex
05-27-2011, 09:56 PM
#4
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Posts: 419
I've said it before ,the wolves they brought in are not endangered, the original wolves are.And there are still a few in the lower 48. A group like this could become a non-profit and use that status to access the same funds to fight this. A suit stating these wolves are the greatest threat to the species that should be there would have to be looked at in the courts, but if we won the government could find it's self in the position of being required to remove these wolves to protect the genetics of the original species.
Alex
Alex
05-27-2011, 09:59 PM
#5
Spike
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 51
I've said it before ,the wolves they brought in are not endangered, the original wolves are.And there are still a few in the lower 48. A group like this could become a non-profit and use that status to access the same funds to fight this. A suit stating these wolves are the greatest threat to the species that should be there would have to be looked at in the courts, but if we won the government could find it's self in the position of being required to remove these wolves to protect the genetics of the original species.
Alex
Alex
thanks
05-28-2011, 04:23 PM
#6
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 59
Well said AK Jeff!
You Might Want to Think Twice Before Visiting Montana This Summer!
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Before making the move to Montana almost four years ago, it was the beauty of the mountains, wide valleys, fast running clear streams, wooded ridges and back country lakes that had drawn me here again and again, year after year. Right at the top of all the natural draws which kept me returning was an abundance of wildlife. On any given day in the western half of this huge state, I could possibly see elk, mule deer, buffalo, whitetails, mountain goats, pronghorns, black bear, bighorn sheep, and Shiras moose - with the occasional chance of spotting a mountain lion, grizzly, wolf, or possibly even a wolverine.
Being an avid hunter, it was the diversity of hunting opportunities that finally helped me to decide that Montana is where I wanted to live the rest of my life. Well, that and one very sweet Montana gal with which I had fallen in love. She loves the outdoors every bit as much as I do. And we get out as often as we can, camping just about every weekend during good weather...and often even when it's not so good.
With this said, the title of this piece might make you wonder, "What has changed?"
Unfortunately, a whole lot. And that change began back during the 1970s and 1980s, with the introduction of the non-native Canadian gray wolf into the Northern Rockies. Now, you are probably saying to yourself, "But the Northern Rockies Wolf Recovery Project did not begin until the release of the first wolves in 1995."
But, did it really? There are growing suspicions, and evidence, that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, without any authorization whatsoever, released as early as 1972 small "experimental" populations of Canadian trapped wolves into remote areas of Montana, Idaho and into Yellowstone National Parks itself in northwest Wyoming. And there is also a growing feeling that those efforts were aided by wildlife studies academics with the University of Montana. Of course, such unauthorized release of wolves was illegal, and that's exactly why USFWS and U of M environmentalists covertly made those transplants in their zeal to re-establish wolves in the Northern Rockies.
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The subsequent transplant of wolves, under the auspices of an "authorized" and "approved scientific based" wolf recovery act was merely a facade to hide the earlier unauthorized transplants and slowly growing wolf populations. Overzealous UM wildlife academics hailed the earlier pockets of illegally transplanted wolves as "discovered" remnants of native wolves, or wolves which had walked down to Montana from Canada on their own.
According to who is making the claim, there are now somewhere between 1,700 to nearly 5,000 wolves inhabiting the Northern Rockies. The lower number being claimed by those who lied outright about when and where this project got its start or where wolves were released...those who never did document the true number of Canadian wolves dumped into Montana, Idaho and the northwestern corner of Wyoming...or how they literally stole between $45- and $60-million from sportsmen provided excise dollars to, in part, illegally fund the Wolf Recovery Project in the Northern Rockies. The higher population figure of 4,000 to 5,000 wolves is now being claimed by the sportsmen who have seen many elk herds destroyed by as much as 80-percent by uncontrolled (and unknown) wolf numbers, and claimed by livestock producers who have seen a four- or five-fold increase in wolf depredation of cattle and sheep over the past four or five years.
But, that's not what is being written about here. Remember, this is about why anyone looking to visit Montana, or Idaho for that matter, just might want to consider going somewhere else.
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If seeing abundant wildlife is what draws you to the Northern Rockies, be warned that the sightings have gotten mighty thin - even in what was once America's wildlife wonderland...Yellowstone National Park. Before the release of those non-native, and certainly non- endangered, Canadian wolves, into the Greater Yellowstone Area, the northern Yellowstone elk herd numbered right at 19,000 elk. Due to ever growing wolf numbers, extremely inadequate (more like non-existent) wolf control, and escalating depredation of that herd by wolves, the 2011 count for this herd has dropped precipitously to just 4,400 elk. And the number will drop even more dramatically this coming year, thanks to another elk calf crop that will be right at "0", and elk that are growing dangerously old without the recruitment of young-of-the-year. In 1995, the average age of this herd was 4 to 5 years. Today, the average age is 9 to 10 years, and these elk are reaching an age where reproduction becomes impossible.
The same is happening with elk, moose, deer and other big game populations up and down the northern Rocky Mountain chain.
As wildlife populations plummet, wolves are turning more and more to domestic stock - cattle, sheep, llamas, horses, and especially pet and working ranch dogs. When game becomes scarce in an area, wolves will feed on just about whatever they can run down and kill. And they don't even worry about the killing part. As often as not, they will pull down an animal and eat on it while it is alive - then leave it to die a lingering death. (These are not the wolves Walt Disney sold you, are they?)
If camping is in your plans, should you still decide to come and enjoy the beautiful scenery and fishing, be advised that you might want to bring along some armament. The best would be a good 12-gauge pump-action or semi-auto loading shot gun loaded with "00" buckshot loads - and keep it loaded and handy at all times when in camp, and especially if taking a walk with the family and pet dog or dogs. As much as it may mentally scar young children to see dad or mom shoot one or more of those sweet, loving and cuddly wolves that are hell-bent on eating the family dog, or heaven forbid, to attack a small child that may have fallen, and crying in distress, you have to think about the consequences of not taking a shot or several shots.
Still, even that is not the biggest danger. Wolves are known carriers and spreaders of more than 30 infectious diseases, including rabies, mange, and trichinosis. Perhaps the most dangerous to all other living things is hydatid disease. This is caused by the Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm that has been carried by more than 60-percent of all wolves examined in the Northern Rockies - through the eggs of this parasite which are spread widely by the scat (feces) wolves leave behind everywhere they travel. It is not uncommon for each wolf to cover 30 to 40 miles every 24-hour period, spreading hundreds of millions, if not billions, of those eggs EVERY DAY.
The Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm eggs are microscopic, and cannot be seen by the naked eye. Being that small, they can become airborne with just a gentle breeze - and widely spread by the stiff mountain breezes that are common for western Montana and northern Idaho. Likewise, the eggs can easily be transported by all the free flowing streams of this region. When breathed in or ingested by big game or livestock when grazing, or drinking, the eggs collect in the lungs, liver, blood stream and even the brain, where they can cause puss filled cysts. And once deposited into the ecosystem, these eggs are resilient enough to withstand a variety of climatic changes for a period of several months.
These eggs can also be passed on to humans who would drink right out of a mountain stream, or possibly breath them in when the eggs are airborne. However, the most common transfer of Echinococcosis granulosus eggs to humans likely occurs when people love on their pets, which likely collected the eggs in their hair or fur while frolicking in the wilds also frequented by wolves. Dogs especially will roll in the feces (scat) deposited by other canines, and wolves are canines - the same as dogs. We all enjoy loving on our pet dogs, but that may have to be curtailed when you live in or camp and hike where there are wolves. If you allow your dog to lick you on the face, you greatly increase the chances of breathing in or ingesting the eggs of this tapeworm - which could lead to contracting cystic hydatid disease, and forming the cysts in your lungs...on your liver...and possibly on the brain. The latter can be fatal unless they are surgically removed.
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It should be noted that your dog can also become infected by the Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm, especially if it is allowed to eat on the internal organ offal left behind when a hunter "field dresses" an elk, deer or moose that may have been riddled with hydatid cysts. Or feeds on infected game left behind by wolves. So, if you are contemplating spending some time in the "Great Outdoors" of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or anywhere else there is a thriving wolf population, make sure that little "Fluffy" has all of its inoculations up to date, as if shipping the dog off to war - because in a way you are taking it into a war zone!
But then, you're also headed into the same battle.
Montana and the other "wolf states" of this country appreciate and rely on out of state tourism, and enjoy sharing their outdoors. Unfortunately, thanks to an infestation of wolves which green driven groups, like the Center for Biological Diversity and the Defenders of Wildlife, have fought to allow the populations of which to grow to troublesome numbers, there are now physical and health dangers to take into consideration - for both your family and your pets. Likewise, wolves are quickly pulling down big game numbers, and seeing wildlife has become more and more challenging.
If your goal is to see a wolf, then your chances have increased greatly. But, you have to work at that. Wolves are very secretive animals, running mostly at night...while you're snuggled in your sleeping bag, with your pet curled up against you, inside your tent. Just be sure to keep that buckshot loaded 12-gauge and a good bright flashlight within easy reach...just in case wolves rush in. Or...should a grizzly decide to pay you a visit. Did you know that within Montana's prime grizzly habitat and range, the density of the big bears is greater than across all of Alaska? Or that, with more than 1,000 of the big bears in that range, the number of human maulings and deaths have increased every year?
Again, this is primarily due to the fact that the so-called environmental groups have fought management of the bears, which no longer have any fear of humans. But, that's an entirely different story. - Toby Bridges, LOBO WATCH
You Might Want to Think Twice Before Visiting Montana This Summer!
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Before making the move to Montana almost four years ago, it was the beauty of the mountains, wide valleys, fast running clear streams, wooded ridges and back country lakes that had drawn me here again and again, year after year. Right at the top of all the natural draws which kept me returning was an abundance of wildlife. On any given day in the western half of this huge state, I could possibly see elk, mule deer, buffalo, whitetails, mountain goats, pronghorns, black bear, bighorn sheep, and Shiras moose - with the occasional chance of spotting a mountain lion, grizzly, wolf, or possibly even a wolverine.
Being an avid hunter, it was the diversity of hunting opportunities that finally helped me to decide that Montana is where I wanted to live the rest of my life. Well, that and one very sweet Montana gal with which I had fallen in love. She loves the outdoors every bit as much as I do. And we get out as often as we can, camping just about every weekend during good weather...and often even when it's not so good.
With this said, the title of this piece might make you wonder, "What has changed?"
Unfortunately, a whole lot. And that change began back during the 1970s and 1980s, with the introduction of the non-native Canadian gray wolf into the Northern Rockies. Now, you are probably saying to yourself, "But the Northern Rockies Wolf Recovery Project did not begin until the release of the first wolves in 1995."
But, did it really? There are growing suspicions, and evidence, that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, without any authorization whatsoever, released as early as 1972 small "experimental" populations of Canadian trapped wolves into remote areas of Montana, Idaho and into Yellowstone National Parks itself in northwest Wyoming. And there is also a growing feeling that those efforts were aided by wildlife studies academics with the University of Montana. Of course, such unauthorized release of wolves was illegal, and that's exactly why USFWS and U of M environmentalists covertly made those transplants in their zeal to re-establish wolves in the Northern Rockies.
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The subsequent transplant of wolves, under the auspices of an "authorized" and "approved scientific based" wolf recovery act was merely a facade to hide the earlier unauthorized transplants and slowly growing wolf populations. Overzealous UM wildlife academics hailed the earlier pockets of illegally transplanted wolves as "discovered" remnants of native wolves, or wolves which had walked down to Montana from Canada on their own.
According to who is making the claim, there are now somewhere between 1,700 to nearly 5,000 wolves inhabiting the Northern Rockies. The lower number being claimed by those who lied outright about when and where this project got its start or where wolves were released...those who never did document the true number of Canadian wolves dumped into Montana, Idaho and the northwestern corner of Wyoming...or how they literally stole between $45- and $60-million from sportsmen provided excise dollars to, in part, illegally fund the Wolf Recovery Project in the Northern Rockies. The higher population figure of 4,000 to 5,000 wolves is now being claimed by the sportsmen who have seen many elk herds destroyed by as much as 80-percent by uncontrolled (and unknown) wolf numbers, and claimed by livestock producers who have seen a four- or five-fold increase in wolf depredation of cattle and sheep over the past four or five years.
But, that's not what is being written about here. Remember, this is about why anyone looking to visit Montana, or Idaho for that matter, just might want to consider going somewhere else.
Enlarge Image
If seeing abundant wildlife is what draws you to the Northern Rockies, be warned that the sightings have gotten mighty thin - even in what was once America's wildlife wonderland...Yellowstone National Park. Before the release of those non-native, and certainly non- endangered, Canadian wolves, into the Greater Yellowstone Area, the northern Yellowstone elk herd numbered right at 19,000 elk. Due to ever growing wolf numbers, extremely inadequate (more like non-existent) wolf control, and escalating depredation of that herd by wolves, the 2011 count for this herd has dropped precipitously to just 4,400 elk. And the number will drop even more dramatically this coming year, thanks to another elk calf crop that will be right at "0", and elk that are growing dangerously old without the recruitment of young-of-the-year. In 1995, the average age of this herd was 4 to 5 years. Today, the average age is 9 to 10 years, and these elk are reaching an age where reproduction becomes impossible.
The same is happening with elk, moose, deer and other big game populations up and down the northern Rocky Mountain chain.
As wildlife populations plummet, wolves are turning more and more to domestic stock - cattle, sheep, llamas, horses, and especially pet and working ranch dogs. When game becomes scarce in an area, wolves will feed on just about whatever they can run down and kill. And they don't even worry about the killing part. As often as not, they will pull down an animal and eat on it while it is alive - then leave it to die a lingering death. (These are not the wolves Walt Disney sold you, are they?)
If camping is in your plans, should you still decide to come and enjoy the beautiful scenery and fishing, be advised that you might want to bring along some armament. The best would be a good 12-gauge pump-action or semi-auto loading shot gun loaded with "00" buckshot loads - and keep it loaded and handy at all times when in camp, and especially if taking a walk with the family and pet dog or dogs. As much as it may mentally scar young children to see dad or mom shoot one or more of those sweet, loving and cuddly wolves that are hell-bent on eating the family dog, or heaven forbid, to attack a small child that may have fallen, and crying in distress, you have to think about the consequences of not taking a shot or several shots.
Still, even that is not the biggest danger. Wolves are known carriers and spreaders of more than 30 infectious diseases, including rabies, mange, and trichinosis. Perhaps the most dangerous to all other living things is hydatid disease. This is caused by the Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm that has been carried by more than 60-percent of all wolves examined in the Northern Rockies - through the eggs of this parasite which are spread widely by the scat (feces) wolves leave behind everywhere they travel. It is not uncommon for each wolf to cover 30 to 40 miles every 24-hour period, spreading hundreds of millions, if not billions, of those eggs EVERY DAY.
The Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm eggs are microscopic, and cannot be seen by the naked eye. Being that small, they can become airborne with just a gentle breeze - and widely spread by the stiff mountain breezes that are common for western Montana and northern Idaho. Likewise, the eggs can easily be transported by all the free flowing streams of this region. When breathed in or ingested by big game or livestock when grazing, or drinking, the eggs collect in the lungs, liver, blood stream and even the brain, where they can cause puss filled cysts. And once deposited into the ecosystem, these eggs are resilient enough to withstand a variety of climatic changes for a period of several months.
These eggs can also be passed on to humans who would drink right out of a mountain stream, or possibly breath them in when the eggs are airborne. However, the most common transfer of Echinococcosis granulosus eggs to humans likely occurs when people love on their pets, which likely collected the eggs in their hair or fur while frolicking in the wilds also frequented by wolves. Dogs especially will roll in the feces (scat) deposited by other canines, and wolves are canines - the same as dogs. We all enjoy loving on our pet dogs, but that may have to be curtailed when you live in or camp and hike where there are wolves. If you allow your dog to lick you on the face, you greatly increase the chances of breathing in or ingesting the eggs of this tapeworm - which could lead to contracting cystic hydatid disease, and forming the cysts in your lungs...on your liver...and possibly on the brain. The latter can be fatal unless they are surgically removed.
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It should be noted that your dog can also become infected by the Echinococcosis granulosus tapeworm, especially if it is allowed to eat on the internal organ offal left behind when a hunter "field dresses" an elk, deer or moose that may have been riddled with hydatid cysts. Or feeds on infected game left behind by wolves. So, if you are contemplating spending some time in the "Great Outdoors" of Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, or anywhere else there is a thriving wolf population, make sure that little "Fluffy" has all of its inoculations up to date, as if shipping the dog off to war - because in a way you are taking it into a war zone!
But then, you're also headed into the same battle.
Montana and the other "wolf states" of this country appreciate and rely on out of state tourism, and enjoy sharing their outdoors. Unfortunately, thanks to an infestation of wolves which green driven groups, like the Center for Biological Diversity and the Defenders of Wildlife, have fought to allow the populations of which to grow to troublesome numbers, there are now physical and health dangers to take into consideration - for both your family and your pets. Likewise, wolves are quickly pulling down big game numbers, and seeing wildlife has become more and more challenging.
If your goal is to see a wolf, then your chances have increased greatly. But, you have to work at that. Wolves are very secretive animals, running mostly at night...while you're snuggled in your sleeping bag, with your pet curled up against you, inside your tent. Just be sure to keep that buckshot loaded 12-gauge and a good bright flashlight within easy reach...just in case wolves rush in. Or...should a grizzly decide to pay you a visit. Did you know that within Montana's prime grizzly habitat and range, the density of the big bears is greater than across all of Alaska? Or that, with more than 1,000 of the big bears in that range, the number of human maulings and deaths have increased every year?
Again, this is primarily due to the fact that the so-called environmental groups have fought management of the bears, which no longer have any fear of humans. But, that's an entirely different story. - Toby Bridges, LOBO WATCH
05-29-2011, 09:13 AM
#7
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Posts: 419
Gentlemen...FOCUS!!!
It doesn't matter who planted what wolves where, or even when they did it. What matters now is that Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming are up to their bloody eyeballs in the damn things. Bergmann's rule, "native" wolves, transplant conspiracy theories...blah, blah, blah. The real issue is the legal mechanisms that allowed this crap to escalate to this level, and if those mechanisms aren't changed it'll just happen again. The real problem children that need a serious spanking are the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA). The ESA needs to be amended so that species with continental/global distributions that aren't in jeopardy can't be listed...i.e. wolves, wolverines, Canada lynx, grizzly bears, etc. It also needs to be amended so that projected issues that can't truely be quantified (i.e. global warming...whoops climate change) can't be determining factors in listing species. The ESA would only be half as bad if it weren't for the it's red-headed step-brother the EAJA. That's the funding mechanism that drives all the lawsuits, and thankfully there is legislation to amend it (link below). If you really want to make a difference write to your Congressional delegation and tell them how fed up you are with this non-sense and that you want to see these laws changed to reflect a common-sense reality.
http://lummis.house.gov/news/Documen...umentID=243017
Congressional Contact Information:
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
It doesn't matter who planted what wolves where, or even when they did it. What matters now is that Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming are up to their bloody eyeballs in the damn things. Bergmann's rule, "native" wolves, transplant conspiracy theories...blah, blah, blah. The real issue is the legal mechanisms that allowed this crap to escalate to this level, and if those mechanisms aren't changed it'll just happen again. The real problem children that need a serious spanking are the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and the Equal Access to Justice Act (EAJA). The ESA needs to be amended so that species with continental/global distributions that aren't in jeopardy can't be listed...i.e. wolves, wolverines, Canada lynx, grizzly bears, etc. It also needs to be amended so that projected issues that can't truely be quantified (i.e. global warming...whoops climate change) can't be determining factors in listing species. The ESA would only be half as bad if it weren't for the it's red-headed step-brother the EAJA. That's the funding mechanism that drives all the lawsuits, and thankfully there is legislation to amend it (link below). If you really want to make a difference write to your Congressional delegation and tell them how fed up you are with this non-sense and that you want to see these laws changed to reflect a common-sense reality.
http://lummis.house.gov/news/Documen...umentID=243017
Congressional Contact Information:
http://www.contactingthecongress.org/
05-29-2011, 04:08 PM
#8
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 59
USDA setting traps after wolves kill horse in Darby
www.kaj18.com
http://www.kaj18.com/player/?video_id=14446
www.kaj18.com
http://www.kaj18.com/player/?video_id=14446
06-01-2011, 09:44 AM
#9
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 59
The Dreaded Confirmation of Hydatid Disease in a Human in Northern Rocky Mountains Region
May 31, 2011
*Editor’s Note* Below is a story obtained by the editor of The Outdoorsman, George Dovel, from a woman who was eventually diagnosed with hydatid disease. I first want to thank the victim for being willing to share a very personal and difficult event in her life with others. Secondly, I want to thank George Dovel and others for the persistence and hard work of bringing together the necessary information needed to present to the public official confirmation of the presence of hydatid disease in the Northern Rocky Mountain region.
I am personally angry and disgusted at the behavior of humans, who disregarded the warnings given them of the diseases carried by wolves and yet, perhaps blinded by their own greedy lust for personal agendas, and human behavior that has to be regarded as criminal, with near complete disregard for human health and safety, went ahead with their project – a project so bizarre many have asked who in their right minds would deliberately introduce an infectious disease, deadly to humans, into the midst of human population?
As you read this one person’s account with dealing with a disease that she contracted as the result of human behavior that places the welfare of an animal above that of a human, consider what is outside your door and why.
Idaho can brace itself for more stories like the one you are about to read. Nothing short of criminal charges should be brought against the perpetrators of this crime and the crimes that continue while those who wield the legal authority to do something about it, refuse, leaving citizens held hostage.
What a despicable display of twisted human behavior. God save us.
I am an Idaho Woman with a Story to Tell
Name on File
From 2001-2003 I had intestinal problems that didn’t seem to go away. I had various exams, tests, and colonoscopies. No definitive diagnosis was made. I concluded it must be stress from a recent accident of my son that left him a quadriplegic.
In June of 2003 I decided to go to an Internist in Boise to see if something was missed. She had ordered a CT scan as a diagnostic tool, and it showed a large “grapefruit size” cyst in the left lobe of my liver, which she was told was probably benign, as cysts are commonly found in the liver and to just watch to see if any symptoms develop.
In December, I went back to the Internist for my yearly physical and told the doctor that I had been having chest pains just below my sternum and that I could feel a lump there. I questioned if it could be a cyst. It would keep me awake at night. Another CT scan was taken and the large cyst was noted in the area of my symptoms. Several other cysts were seen on the right lobe of the liver.
It was concluded that the cyst should be aspirated and let the cyst walls collapse against themselves and adhere to each other. A “Special Procedure Radiologist” performed the procedure at the hospital. He placed a tube into the cyst just below the sternum and aspirated the fluid. The fluid was clear, more so than he expected. He said there didn’t appear to be any problem but was sending it to pathology and my doctor would call me with the result.
The next day my doctor called and said that the pathologist had just given her “Surprising News”. He had told my doctor “You won’t believe what I found! Echinoccocus Granulosus or Hydatid Disease.” My doctor told me how rare it was in the United States. I now knew I had a cyst full of tiny worms in my liver…
My doctor informed me that I would need to have another more complicated aspiration. I decided to wait for 10 days until after Christmas since the whole family was coming and I didn’t want to spoil anything for them. A few days later I noticed the aspiration site had become
Excised portion of author’s liver (left lobe) after surgery, with clearly visible intact swollen hydatid cyst inside.
quite red, about the size of a silver dollar, and my temperature was up to 103 degrees. My pain also increased as well and the lump had begun to fill up again and could be palpated, or felt.
My doctor referred me to an Infection Disease Specialist who prescribed Albendazol for me to begin taking immediately and for a re-aspiration of the cyst. All the literature the doctors could find said that a cyst my size should be removed surgically, resecting, or removing, part of the liver. But the doctors felt that since I had tolerated the procedure so well that last time that it might work to try it again and not have to have major surgery. They would aspirate the fluid again, then infuse a dye to rule out any extensions into other portions of the liver, and then inject an alcohol solution to kill the worms and help sclerosis in so it would collapse and adhere to itself.
This procedure was attempted, but concern of the color of the fluid (milky not clear), caused them to terminate the procedure waiting for lab results. I was hospitalized and put on IV antibiotics, with the tube in my liver through my chest still in place. I spiked a temperature of 104 degrees. After a few days of antibiotic treatment my temperature came back down and no bacteria was found upon the culture of the aspirant and the procedure was redone to completion.
I initially felt better with the pressure reduced as the CT scan now indicated that only 20% of the cyst remained open. However symptoms soon returned and another CT scan done three weeks later showed it 50% full of fluid again.
The Infection Specialist went to the hospital to look at the path slides and confirmed it was indeed the Hydatid “worms”. He recommended another aspiration of the cyst. I was really tired, sore, and becoming depressed over this whole situation. I expressed my desire to explore my option of surgical removal of the cyst. He recommended a liver specialist in Seattle. He explained that the surgery would be quite difficult and that the recovery would be about two months.
The Seattle doctor called me after seeing my CT scans and pathology reports. He said “the aspirations would never work on a cyst that size.” This was a bit disappointing as I had been billed over $20,000 so far and I still had the cyst!
I asked the doctor if he had a lot of experience with Hydatid Disease, since I was referred to him. He responded that he had only five patients with this disease
Excised portion of author’s liver (left lobe) after hydatid cyst was removed following surgery.
because it is so rare in the United States. He then added that he specializes in liver surgery and had been referred patients from all over the west. My surgery was scheduled for March 8.
I arrived a day early to have all the usual tests, CT scan, X-rays, labs and meet with the other doctors who would be working on my case; Infection Specialist, Resident Surgeon, Chief Surgeon, and Anesthesiologist. What a day.
We were advised of the ramifications of such a surgery since it was a major surgery and should have a very large incision to gain access extending from my sternum down and curving around the rib cage towards the back and along the waist line. It would have to be so large in order to check the cysts in the right lobe of my liver.
Nearly half of my liver was removed. Two or more cysts on the right lobe were aspirated but found benign. The doctors were pleased with the surgery but insisted I stay on the Albendazol for another 3 months, have blood word done for the next three months, and a CT scan at least once a year for the rest of my life to watch the other smaller cysts.
The doctor was very pleased with my progress and released me from the hospital after 5 days but I had to stay in Seattle for another 5 days before returning home. The Albendazol was quite hard on me causing my hair to thin a bit, but my recovery was steady and lasting. I still have a CT scan each year. My sixteen inch incision scar is a reminder to me that the Hydatid Disease can be transferred to humans. It is real. People need to be educated and take great caution.
(NOTE: This brave lady’s husband reportedly stood up during a public meeting and described how, contrary to wolf managers’ claims, his wife had a Hydatid Cyst removed from her liver which cost $63,000, and said they were hoping and praying other cysts had not been missed. His wife gave me copies of her pathology reports, wrote the foregoing story and title, and provided her medical photographs for publication in The Outdoorsman. I promised not to publish their names or clues to their location to prevent their being harassed by the wolf worshippers who abuse and threaten those who tell the truth about the downside of living with wolves. – ED)
Please take the time to read additional warnings from Dr. Valerius Geist about hydatid disease.
This is not the only case of hydatid disease in this region. Read another man’s account given during testimony before the Idaho State Legislature concerning HB 343.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/201...ntains-region/
May 31, 2011
*Editor’s Note* Below is a story obtained by the editor of The Outdoorsman, George Dovel, from a woman who was eventually diagnosed with hydatid disease. I first want to thank the victim for being willing to share a very personal and difficult event in her life with others. Secondly, I want to thank George Dovel and others for the persistence and hard work of bringing together the necessary information needed to present to the public official confirmation of the presence of hydatid disease in the Northern Rocky Mountain region.
I am personally angry and disgusted at the behavior of humans, who disregarded the warnings given them of the diseases carried by wolves and yet, perhaps blinded by their own greedy lust for personal agendas, and human behavior that has to be regarded as criminal, with near complete disregard for human health and safety, went ahead with their project – a project so bizarre many have asked who in their right minds would deliberately introduce an infectious disease, deadly to humans, into the midst of human population?
As you read this one person’s account with dealing with a disease that she contracted as the result of human behavior that places the welfare of an animal above that of a human, consider what is outside your door and why.
Idaho can brace itself for more stories like the one you are about to read. Nothing short of criminal charges should be brought against the perpetrators of this crime and the crimes that continue while those who wield the legal authority to do something about it, refuse, leaving citizens held hostage.
What a despicable display of twisted human behavior. God save us.
I am an Idaho Woman with a Story to Tell
Name on File
From 2001-2003 I had intestinal problems that didn’t seem to go away. I had various exams, tests, and colonoscopies. No definitive diagnosis was made. I concluded it must be stress from a recent accident of my son that left him a quadriplegic.
In June of 2003 I decided to go to an Internist in Boise to see if something was missed. She had ordered a CT scan as a diagnostic tool, and it showed a large “grapefruit size” cyst in the left lobe of my liver, which she was told was probably benign, as cysts are commonly found in the liver and to just watch to see if any symptoms develop.
In December, I went back to the Internist for my yearly physical and told the doctor that I had been having chest pains just below my sternum and that I could feel a lump there. I questioned if it could be a cyst. It would keep me awake at night. Another CT scan was taken and the large cyst was noted in the area of my symptoms. Several other cysts were seen on the right lobe of the liver.
It was concluded that the cyst should be aspirated and let the cyst walls collapse against themselves and adhere to each other. A “Special Procedure Radiologist” performed the procedure at the hospital. He placed a tube into the cyst just below the sternum and aspirated the fluid. The fluid was clear, more so than he expected. He said there didn’t appear to be any problem but was sending it to pathology and my doctor would call me with the result.
The next day my doctor called and said that the pathologist had just given her “Surprising News”. He had told my doctor “You won’t believe what I found! Echinoccocus Granulosus or Hydatid Disease.” My doctor told me how rare it was in the United States. I now knew I had a cyst full of tiny worms in my liver…
My doctor informed me that I would need to have another more complicated aspiration. I decided to wait for 10 days until after Christmas since the whole family was coming and I didn’t want to spoil anything for them. A few days later I noticed the aspiration site had become
Excised portion of author’s liver (left lobe) after surgery, with clearly visible intact swollen hydatid cyst inside.
quite red, about the size of a silver dollar, and my temperature was up to 103 degrees. My pain also increased as well and the lump had begun to fill up again and could be palpated, or felt.
My doctor referred me to an Infection Disease Specialist who prescribed Albendazol for me to begin taking immediately and for a re-aspiration of the cyst. All the literature the doctors could find said that a cyst my size should be removed surgically, resecting, or removing, part of the liver. But the doctors felt that since I had tolerated the procedure so well that last time that it might work to try it again and not have to have major surgery. They would aspirate the fluid again, then infuse a dye to rule out any extensions into other portions of the liver, and then inject an alcohol solution to kill the worms and help sclerosis in so it would collapse and adhere to itself.
This procedure was attempted, but concern of the color of the fluid (milky not clear), caused them to terminate the procedure waiting for lab results. I was hospitalized and put on IV antibiotics, with the tube in my liver through my chest still in place. I spiked a temperature of 104 degrees. After a few days of antibiotic treatment my temperature came back down and no bacteria was found upon the culture of the aspirant and the procedure was redone to completion.
I initially felt better with the pressure reduced as the CT scan now indicated that only 20% of the cyst remained open. However symptoms soon returned and another CT scan done three weeks later showed it 50% full of fluid again.
The Infection Specialist went to the hospital to look at the path slides and confirmed it was indeed the Hydatid “worms”. He recommended another aspiration of the cyst. I was really tired, sore, and becoming depressed over this whole situation. I expressed my desire to explore my option of surgical removal of the cyst. He recommended a liver specialist in Seattle. He explained that the surgery would be quite difficult and that the recovery would be about two months.
The Seattle doctor called me after seeing my CT scans and pathology reports. He said “the aspirations would never work on a cyst that size.” This was a bit disappointing as I had been billed over $20,000 so far and I still had the cyst!
I asked the doctor if he had a lot of experience with Hydatid Disease, since I was referred to him. He responded that he had only five patients with this disease
Excised portion of author’s liver (left lobe) after hydatid cyst was removed following surgery.
because it is so rare in the United States. He then added that he specializes in liver surgery and had been referred patients from all over the west. My surgery was scheduled for March 8.
I arrived a day early to have all the usual tests, CT scan, X-rays, labs and meet with the other doctors who would be working on my case; Infection Specialist, Resident Surgeon, Chief Surgeon, and Anesthesiologist. What a day.
We were advised of the ramifications of such a surgery since it was a major surgery and should have a very large incision to gain access extending from my sternum down and curving around the rib cage towards the back and along the waist line. It would have to be so large in order to check the cysts in the right lobe of my liver.
Nearly half of my liver was removed. Two or more cysts on the right lobe were aspirated but found benign. The doctors were pleased with the surgery but insisted I stay on the Albendazol for another 3 months, have blood word done for the next three months, and a CT scan at least once a year for the rest of my life to watch the other smaller cysts.
The doctor was very pleased with my progress and released me from the hospital after 5 days but I had to stay in Seattle for another 5 days before returning home. The Albendazol was quite hard on me causing my hair to thin a bit, but my recovery was steady and lasting. I still have a CT scan each year. My sixteen inch incision scar is a reminder to me that the Hydatid Disease can be transferred to humans. It is real. People need to be educated and take great caution.
(NOTE: This brave lady’s husband reportedly stood up during a public meeting and described how, contrary to wolf managers’ claims, his wife had a Hydatid Cyst removed from her liver which cost $63,000, and said they were hoping and praying other cysts had not been missed. His wife gave me copies of her pathology reports, wrote the foregoing story and title, and provided her medical photographs for publication in The Outdoorsman. I promised not to publish their names or clues to their location to prevent their being harassed by the wolf worshippers who abuse and threaten those who tell the truth about the downside of living with wolves. – ED)
Please take the time to read additional warnings from Dr. Valerius Geist about hydatid disease.
This is not the only case of hydatid disease in this region. Read another man’s account given during testimony before the Idaho State Legislature concerning HB 343.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/201...ntains-region/
06-10-2011, 05:08 PM
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Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Friday, June 10, 2011
State of New Mexico Pulls Out Of Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction Program!
The above photo shows what some rural New Mexico residents have had to revert to, in order to protect their children, waiting for the school bus, from ever bolder Mexican gray wolves. On 6-19-11, the State of New Mexico decided they had had enough of this idiocy, and voted to pull out of the Mexican Gray Wolf Reintroduction Program. Following is an e-mail received from LOBO WATCH follower, New Mexico outfitter Jess Carey...
I would like to report to you; On May 18th, 2011 the Catron County Commission sent a letter to The N.M. Game Commission and Governor Martinez requesting them to remove the State from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Six documents were attached to show the damage the children and folks of Catron County has suffered due to Mexican Wolf Recovery. At the New Mexico Game Commission meeting today, 06-09-11, the Commission voted unanimously to remove the state from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Governor Martinez also supports the state being removed from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Governor Martinez and the Game Commission will be receiving a lot of flack from the pro-wolf supporters and wolf organizations, it is "imperative" that we all send a letter or email to Governor Martinez and each Game Commissioner to support them and thank them for the action they have taken.
Now the USFWS cannot blame the Game Department on wolf issues, now the USFWS can be held accountable. We want Governor Martinez to take action on documented wolf interaction to remove those wolves. Every wolf livestock depredation and habituated wolf interaction around homes and people needs to be documented.
Catron County Commissioner Glen Griffin did an excellent job in his presentation to the Game Commission, as did all the folks who spoke against the wolf program. Many could not attend the Game Meeting due to the fire at the Arizona state line.
You can be assured that the liberal press will only use the same old pro-wolf advocate statements in their paper and make everyone else look bad.
Please pass this email on to everyone you know and ask them to send a letter or email in support to remove the state from Mexican Wolf Re-introduction.
Thank you,
Jess Carey
Addresses below:
Office of the Governor
490 Old Santa Fe Trail
Room 400
Santa Fe, NM 87501
Those wishing to send an e-mail message to Governor Susana Martinez can use the form on the official state website at...
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/Cont..._Governor.aspx
http://wolfhuntupdate.blogspot.com/
State of New Mexico Pulls Out Of Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction Program!
The above photo shows what some rural New Mexico residents have had to revert to, in order to protect their children, waiting for the school bus, from ever bolder Mexican gray wolves. On 6-19-11, the State of New Mexico decided they had had enough of this idiocy, and voted to pull out of the Mexican Gray Wolf Reintroduction Program. Following is an e-mail received from LOBO WATCH follower, New Mexico outfitter Jess Carey...
I would like to report to you; On May 18th, 2011 the Catron County Commission sent a letter to The N.M. Game Commission and Governor Martinez requesting them to remove the State from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Six documents were attached to show the damage the children and folks of Catron County has suffered due to Mexican Wolf Recovery. At the New Mexico Game Commission meeting today, 06-09-11, the Commission voted unanimously to remove the state from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Governor Martinez also supports the state being removed from Mexican Wolf Re-Introduction. Governor Martinez and the Game Commission will be receiving a lot of flack from the pro-wolf supporters and wolf organizations, it is "imperative" that we all send a letter or email to Governor Martinez and each Game Commissioner to support them and thank them for the action they have taken.
Now the USFWS cannot blame the Game Department on wolf issues, now the USFWS can be held accountable. We want Governor Martinez to take action on documented wolf interaction to remove those wolves. Every wolf livestock depredation and habituated wolf interaction around homes and people needs to be documented.
Catron County Commissioner Glen Griffin did an excellent job in his presentation to the Game Commission, as did all the folks who spoke against the wolf program. Many could not attend the Game Meeting due to the fire at the Arizona state line.
You can be assured that the liberal press will only use the same old pro-wolf advocate statements in their paper and make everyone else look bad.
Please pass this email on to everyone you know and ask them to send a letter or email in support to remove the state from Mexican Wolf Re-introduction.
Thank you,
Jess Carey
Addresses below:
Office of the Governor
490 Old Santa Fe Trail
Room 400
Santa Fe, NM 87501
Those wishing to send an e-mail message to Governor Susana Martinez can use the form on the official state website at...
http://www.governor.state.nm.us/Cont..._Governor.aspx
http://wolfhuntupdate.blogspot.com/