MT elk fee going from $643 to over $900!
12-04-2010, 09:03 PM
#21
Fork Horn
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12-04-2010, 09:35 PM
#22
Fork Horn
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12-04-2010, 09:49 PM
#23
Fork Horn
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Time will only tell what effects come of 161 in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years down the road. What will be the effects? Time will tell. The orginal post talking about pricing. Montana still isnt the highest tag prices out there when talking about non resident elk prices. Example, Nevada, non resident elk tag, 1200.00. Respectively, I realize thats comparing apples to oranges in many ways between the 2 states, however, elk is a elk.
12-04-2010, 10:16 PM
#24
Giant Nontypical
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I wonder how many NR will hunt a general unit/area this year even with or without an outfitter.
There's no way I'd keep a general tag for MT this year as NR, if and that's a big IF I apply for MT elk, it's going to be a great limited area special tag.
and if there are really that many more resident hunters applying than non-res', are there really 45x more residents applying than non-res? kinda doubt it....I'll try to find some info....
it'll be interesting to see if NR's leave MT in droves this fall...
There's no way I'd keep a general tag for MT this year as NR, if and that's a big IF I apply for MT elk, it's going to be a great limited area special tag.
and if there are really that many more resident hunters applying than non-res', are there really 45x more residents applying than non-res? kinda doubt it....I'll try to find some info....
it'll be interesting to see if NR's leave MT in droves this fall...
12-04-2010, 10:20 PM
#25
Giant Nontypical
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Time will only tell what effects come of 161 in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years down the road. What will be the effects? Time will tell. The orginal post talking about pricing. Montana still isnt the highest tag prices out there when talking about non resident elk prices. Example, Nevada, non resident elk tag, 1200.00. Respectively, I realize thats comparing apples to oranges in many ways between the 2 states, however, elk is a elk.
you're talking a once in a 10+ year/lifetime elk tag for NV, vs. an every year tag.
I'd be happy to pay $1200 to hunt the best NV unit every year...
btw isn't a resident NV elk tag $120? $120 vs. $1200, not $20 vs. $900, 10x vs. 45x??
12-05-2010, 05:34 AM
#26
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
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I do understand some points here. Non-residents feeling like they are getting ripped off. At those prices I'd say they have a point. Residents should be allowed to hunt their state without the extra money for the tag. But if everyone hunted Montana at a cheap price then the time it would take to get a tag would be so much that you'd hunt Montana 4X in a lifetime and the quality of the hunting wouldn't be any better. Colorado is heading down the same road. Higher prices and less Quality. Hunting Elk is starting to be a investment in both time and money and it's not really fair to those people that just like hunting elk and not having to kill a monster bull.
The reality of it all is every state is heading to the draw and the number of tags vs the number of hunters is going to get very tight. Trophy hunters don't care it's worth their time to invest in a chance of getting a big bull. The average joe is the one going to be shut out of this game. They are using the quality trophy ploy to raise fees and try to cut down the amount of people in the field. The rich man's scenario of Elk hunting has arrived.
I just like having a chance to go see what's out there every year. I'm not happy about any of it.
The reality of it all is every state is heading to the draw and the number of tags vs the number of hunters is going to get very tight. Trophy hunters don't care it's worth their time to invest in a chance of getting a big bull. The average joe is the one going to be shut out of this game. They are using the quality trophy ploy to raise fees and try to cut down the amount of people in the field. The rich man's scenario of Elk hunting has arrived.
I just like having a chance to go see what's out there every year. I'm not happy about any of it.
12-05-2010, 07:22 AM
#27
Fork Horn
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Please re read my post, I said its like comparing apples to oranges between the 2 states. not apples to apples. But why is a elk in NV worth more than in MT. Nevada has some great bulls (Ive drew there tag before so I can personally relate and debate that subject as well), Montana has great hunting as well. Muley brought up a great point, and thats why you will not likely see resident prices go up, Montana ranks 49th per capita. The money lost generated from the outfitter tags has to come from somewhere....
As said prior I voted against 161 and all this non sense. But it passed and this is what we all have to work with.
in my opinion the biggest reason 161 passed, jelous people. People were jelous of the outfitter and jelous of people leasing lands up. Salukipv1, your jelous of the resident hunter paying a lesser dollar. People need to stop being jelous of each other. Life isnt fair. You want the price of a resident hunter, move to a western state. Live, work, and become a resident of another state. Why do you live where you do now? Must have a reason why you live where you do?
As said prior I voted against 161 and all this non sense. But it passed and this is what we all have to work with.
in my opinion the biggest reason 161 passed, jelous people. People were jelous of the outfitter and jelous of people leasing lands up. Salukipv1, your jelous of the resident hunter paying a lesser dollar. People need to stop being jelous of each other. Life isnt fair. You want the price of a resident hunter, move to a western state. Live, work, and become a resident of another state. Why do you live where you do now? Must have a reason why you live where you do?
12-05-2010, 09:11 AM
#28
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Please re read my post, I said its like comparing apples to oranges between the 2 states. not apples to apples. But why is a elk in NV worth more than in MT. Nevada has some great bulls (Ive drew there tag before so I can personally relate and debate that subject as well), Montana has great hunting as well. Muley brought up a great point, and thats why you will not likely see resident prices go up, Montana ranks 49th per capita. The money lost generated from the outfitter tags has to come from somewhere....
As said prior I voted against 161 and all this non sense. But it passed and this is what we all have to work with.
in my opinion the biggest reason 161 passed, jelous people. People were jelous of the outfitter and jelous of people leasing lands up. Salukipv1, your jelous of the resident hunter paying a lesser dollar. People need to stop being jelous of each other. Life isnt fair. You want the price of a resident hunter, move to a western state. Live, work, and become a resident of another state. Why do you live where you do now? Must have a reason why you live where you do?
As said prior I voted against 161 and all this non sense. But it passed and this is what we all have to work with.
in my opinion the biggest reason 161 passed, jelous people. People were jelous of the outfitter and jelous of people leasing lands up. Salukipv1, your jelous of the resident hunter paying a lesser dollar. People need to stop being jelous of each other. Life isnt fair. You want the price of a resident hunter, move to a western state. Live, work, and become a resident of another state. Why do you live where you do now? Must have a reason why you live where you do?
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