RE: lamas for packing ?
 

Beaverjack - You got horses don' t you ? And when they see llamas they roll their eyes into the sockets, foam at the mouth, buck/kick and take you for a ride ! LOL ! Horses are stupid like that unless they live around llamas. I have NEVER had a llama spook. Never had one buck, kick, bite or spit. I did have one last year that was a true mtn llamas - he had his nose at the back of my neck all the way up the mtns - my kind of llama.

RE: lamas for packing ?
 

First read this and thought you were talking about packing a lama pistol!!

Anyway, I wouldn' t get caught dead using a llama as a pack animal, the other guy' s 60# allottment is being pretty generous, and the hassle of handling them is worse than with mules or burrows by far; horses, mules, burrows, other equine species think for themselves about what you' re out there doing, once they get the picture of what the objective is, they' re great animals to work with, llamas never figure it out, and they get side tracked easily, one experience we had with one, it walked off while we were grubbing (eating) chasing a butterfly, then when the owner yelled at it, it looked like it woke up out of a trance, and was spooked, so it took the rest of the afternoon to capture the dang thing again!!! Our horses were content to wait for us and mill around grazing nearby.

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Normal is right. Ain' t no horse or mule gonna foam at the mouth an' act a nut less he has a reason. The troublesome animals are the novice ones. They ain' t pros like mine. I' ve worked with mules that will stop dead if an obstacle is too narrow for their load. Now that is a thinkin' animal. No dang goat is gonna do that. I' ve seen mules fully loaded easily walk over a rocky pass that would ' cause lesser animals to die with their heart in their throat. Buckin' and puttin' up a fuss ain' t normal for trained animals. But them camels don' t have a cooperative bone in their bodies. They even look like they think they' re too good to even be on the same trail with humans. 60 lbs is pushin' it. My dog can carry more.

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What do you guys smoke out west :D

The llamas I have used have carryed up to and over 100 pounds each for several miles. NEVER have they given us ANY trouble. I go out of my way to get off the trails with my llamas when horses are coming and the horses spook none the less. Llamas walk in almost a straight line - their feet stepping very close together, They know their pack size too - never trying to walk between trees they won' t fit through. Very intelligent animals. They have splayed , almost padded hooves that allow them to get around much better IMO than a shoed horse or mule. I tell ya, nothing like them.

Besides, real hunters don' t ride, they walk !! [:o][:o][:o]

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You' d spook too if you saw a hairy, unnatural creature with a snake' s neck, a duck' s body, an' a showgirl' s eyelashes. If god had meant for them creatures to be roamin' the Rocky mountings, he woulda sobbered up an' laid waste to ' em long ago, an' we' d have llama fossils layin' ' round with the dinosaurs.

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Beaverjack - Did you know that the horses went extinct about 10,000 years ago in North America and were reintroduced by the Spanish a few hundred years ago ? The horses we have today are no more or less unnatural than llamas. Do you ever hunt pheasant, chuckar or grouse ? They aint native either as are a lot of animals we hunt and fish we catch.

Its okay to be angry about a superior pack animal getting more and more popular - its a natural human reaction.

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I figure the good lord got pissed cause injuns weren' t shoein' horses an' ruinin' some good animals. So he made ' em extinct. The spanyards were a religeous bunch of tin heads, so the lord got them to bring back the horses so the injuns could thin out the buffalo herds, while lettin' the tin heads thin out the injuns a lil' too. He didn' t count on the blue bellies shootin' all the great herds to totally ruin the injun way of life. I figur the injuns were god' s chosen people on this continent. Like the jews, he couldn' t stay mad at ' em forever, jus' 10,000 years or so.

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If indians had had llamas and modern compound bows, they' d have beaten the white men and we' d not be having this discussion.

Ya' ll kill some big elk this fall and post pics of them - and BTW, llamas are fantastic animals regardless of what these yahoos say !

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Jus' use lots of garlic on ' em.

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ya should get the hairy one at least El paca,s?

ITs a 2 lama nite?

Then when you get sick of them , not only a few nice roasts , but maybe a sweater or mittens in the deal.

||||if you saw a hairy, unnatural creature with a snake' s neck, a duck' s body, an' a showgirl' s eyelashes. |||| lol BJ;)... if the wemonn are rare enoough it could be a wife.