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Old 10-05-2008, 06:50 PM
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10/11/08-10/15/08 That is the dates I get to hunt next week. I don't care how much money the guy spent, we all spend to much money. What bothers me, and makes me believe this bull should not go in the record books, is the amount of time allowed a rich guy to hunt. It is total BS, and is a practice that should be stopped. Everyone should be dealt the same hand. JMHO
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:05 PM
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So if a guy making $30,000 a year quit his job and spent a month hunting and shot a big elk it shouldn't count because you can only take a week off?

There are so many circular arguments here I'm having a hard time keeping track.
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:53 PM
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So if a guy making $30,000 a year quit his job and spent a month hunting and shot a big elk it shouldn't count because you can only take a week off?

There are so many circular arguments here I'm having a hard time keeping track.
No, NP, the guy paid for an extended season not open to the general public, your comparing apples and oranges. If one 'special' expensive tag is good for the Game dept coffers, then 2 would produce even more. In fact, lets just change all tags to high-end tags and let only those who can afford it hunt. Can you imagine the dollars that would getpumped into game management? Heres a thought, rather than have 'special' tags for the wealthy, what say we hold our government accountable for the millions they squander and put those savings back into game management, theres a novel concept.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:01 PM
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The people that have the point of view that this guys money bought him the bull are exactly right. Had this guy only had the regular season that every other average hunter has he would have not got the bull as it took the mossback crew a month to find him. In all reality by these special expensive tags it's our own fish and wildlife departments showing the greed. Yes the money may go to a good cause, but seriously it's not right. Two records have now been broke this year because of this "Governors tag". After thinking about it, it's not really FAIR chase because not everyone is allowed the same rules that apply to the rich folk. Nope I'm not whining, nor upset about it, just think it's kind of bogus.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:20 PM
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I'm not an expert on Utah's hunting seasons. I know their archery season is nearly a month long. There are a bunch of different rifle seasons general, special, CWMU, etc. with some of those being 2 weeks and some being 2 months. Based on your post in a different thread, you didn't even know the elk rifle seasons in your own home state, so I'm not sure you are the expert on whether this guy had an extended season license or not though.

Several states have drawings for these special licenses as well where you pay $5 to get a chance at one of them (Including Montana). Should those be eliminated as unfair as well?

I really think Joeldavid m hit the nail on the head with his post.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:40 PM
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I'm not an expert on Utah's hunting seasons. I know their archery season is nearly a month long. There are a bunch of different rifle seasons general, special, CWMU, etc. with some of those being 2 weeks and some being 2 months. Based on your post in a different thread, you didn't even know the elk rifle seasons in your own home state, so I'm not sure you are the expert on whether this guy had an extended season license or not though.

Several states have drawings for these special licenses as well where you pay $5 to get a chance at one of them (Including Montana). Should those be eliminated as unfair as well?

I really think Joeldavid m hit the nail on the head with his post.
Is your google button broke? I know intimately the rifle regulations in Montana. The rifle season rut hunt you were referring to is back country only, not a general season hunt, and was, irrelavant to the discussion in that thread. Now google the governors tag and read for yourself.
As far as the 5 dollar tag, as per your MO, you are once again comparing apples and oranges. If Montana wants a 5 dollar chance drawing that is fine, I believe the vast majority of the populace can engage in that, however, I do feel chance purchases should be limited.
Finally, several members on this site are avid outdoorsman. Frankly, it is offensive to me, and others I am sure, to be accused of being jealous or some crap over any animal taken by somebody else. How petty and childish. I have passed on countless opportunitiies trying to get others into range and set up on bulls. I basically gave away 4 years of hunting taking my son out and always giving him the best shot. Everybody hereknows a simple call to Muley and he'll be there to help you pack out your bull and give you a big congrats and a cold beer. I have invited others out for hunts just so they could share in the bounty of this beautiful place. To reduce my passion for the outdoor lifestyle into a envy thing is absurd. I have not, nor ever will be, infatuated with "trophy" animals. I have no problem with taking big bulls, I like those myself,but my, and others arguments here are not jealousy based, they are ethical.[:@]
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:42 PM
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With all due respect Npaden, there is a hunter posting in this topic that hunted over there. From the looks of his hunting dates he was able to hunt less than two weeks with his stick and string in the monroe unit.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:48 PM
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The archery season dates aren'tas confusing as the rifle seasons are. The archery season was August 16th to September 12th. I'm guessing CAElknut just had a couple weeks of vacation to burn and then had to go back to the daily grind of making a living.
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:52 PM
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I'm not on here trying to say that this guy is some great hunter or anything like that. I'm just amazed at some of the arguements that some of you are using to say that this elk doesn't belong in the record books. It was a public land bull that many others had the opportunity to harvest.

If somehow the infamous Mossback guys had pushed this bull too hard and he ran across the road in front of some local slob hunter on a 4-wheeler and the guy stepped off the road the required distance for it to be a legal shot and killed him would he have been a better hunter than the guy that paid all the money? Would the elk deserve to be in the record books then?
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:12 AM
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I dont know why but this whole thing just kinda made me think about the Jimmy Houston incident. Just without the cage.
makes you want to puke don't it ?

Who is denny austad?
I dunno, lets google him and see .......





96 2/8
Denny Austad
Pronghorn Guide Service
AZ
2006
Denny Austin - Scores 380 B&C ( elk ) 416", 385"
228" mule deer

Thats some world class animals there, don't you agree ? He's obviously A. a very wealthy man and B. addicted to shooting the largest antlers he can buy

MTdream what is the root of all evil ? yeah, MONEY, and when its entered into the equation of HUNTING nothing good can come of it.

Hunting is what you make it...and your personal joy is just that personal...Dont like what Denny/Doyle did, well that is your right, but it is also his right to do what he did
hmmm first off, I don't know that he DOES have a right because he's a non-resident. Maybe the residents of Utah have a right (maybe not, I'm uncertain) but Mr Austad being able to hunt with a gov tag is all given to him by the Utah G&F and he paid $170,000 for that privaledge. I could have bought that bull too - any of us could have to be honest.

Second, and this is a big one ....... when things happen in my sport that negatively affects hunting, then its affecting ME and this kind of thing is negative

I must be missing something...I do not understand all the irritation people ahve over some guy paying a guide to get him a bull...
is that what hunting is now ? paying someone to get you something ?


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paid to get in to a game?
we've not degraded hunting to a big game ?


he paid a guy to get him on a bull...in this case a specific bull...and a lot of money...would we be having this conversation if it was $25,000? Would we be having this conversation if only 3 guys were used to locate the bull? woudl we be having htis conversation if it was not the pending world record? The answer to all of the above is no...
I would be having it, I've been having it for a long time.

Money and Horn Porn is destorying what hunting is. This is a prime example

i know VERY respected hunters that routinely Pay $20K+ for the elk they are routinely getting written up about in journals...how come no outrage over that? they didnt scout them...they paid a guy to locate them (specific bulls over 400), and paid a rancher to hunt them, and paid a group to help locate the bull, and paid etc. etc.
aint none of them hunting then



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