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Hello,

When I get my new rifle (most likely its going to be a fast 30 caliber) I am probably going to put a muzzle brake on it. What are some effective types of brakes that aren' t too ear splittingly loud. One I' m curious about is a brake by David Gentry, called the quiet brake.

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Robert
Do you know how loud his muzzle brakes are compared to others? Is there a compromise between the noise and recoil in his design? And how much does he charge? Thanks for any information.

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Thanks for the info about the Gentry brake! Another one I was looking at was the Answer System brake. I have read good things about it, too.

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I had a Quiet brake on a real light 300 win mag a few years back and it worked great and the installation was first rate. I have also seen an answer system brake installed a few years back on a Ruger 77 SS and it was a beautiful installation. You have to experience louder sound levels that is the nature of the beast but some are not so loud or harsh as others(Boss system comes to mind).

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The last price I heard is $150 for a rifle that doesn' t already have a muzzle brake. I am thinking of sending him my present KDF brake. You just send only the brake since your rifle would already be threaded. He charges $90 to make only the brake. He has to have the old one to match the threads, but he sends that back to you as well.

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one of the things that you might consider is a different kindof break.i have a 45.70 that thge gunsmith put a pistol break on it. it is alot quieter and has more of a thump. not near as lous as a regular break.

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What is a pistol brake? Also, you said it has more of a thump. How much do you think it reduced the recoil?

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the muzzle break is not as big or long as the rifle break. it is a screw on that looks like an extension of the barrell.the recoil is greatly reduced and does not have that hard kick.you can shoot the 405gr much easier.

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Body weight has a big impact on bein' able to shoot with recoil. Rather than a muzzle brake dohickey, jus' invest in some bacon an' pork chops. Keep a jar of the grease on yer stove, an' cook everthin' else in it. I been slow to git in on this topic cause I' m biased. Thet' s right, I ain' t allays so open-minded as yall come to ' spect. I had a feller shoot a 300 Weatherby with a brake whilst I was in his blast zone. He had plugs on, so I couldn' t even git his attention thout spookin' the critter. Now I got a ringin' thet ain' t ever gonna go away. Any gizmo thet requires you to use another gizmo in yer ear to be able to shoot it safely is jus' one too many gizmos in my book. Go with moderate cartridges, an' eat more pork.

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who said anything about ear plugs while hunting?i never have used them.i do use them at the range due ti firing multiple times. i use them at the rande no matter what i am shooting.i never notice the noise or recoil while shooting. a larger shell will make you realize this.that is the reason for the muzzle break.i am not a city boy either. i was born and raised in east texas on a farm.your points are more personal than common sense.

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robert,
you also failed to mention that you stated in another area that you have muzzle breaks on your guns

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Beaverjack, when you stated that you were in the blast zone, what does that mean? Muzzle breaks are a fact of life. Some people are going to have them, and sooner or later you' ll be at the range when they' re shooting. I am a city boy, and even I know to always wear hearing protection at the range. Not like I' m going to be engaging in casual conversation. You never fully recover hearing damage. It' s not worth it. There' s no prize for toughing it out without the protection. A removable break for the range, with a threaded cap for the field seems a reasonable compromise for heavier calibers (or whoever wants it, not like its my place to judge what people should and shouldn' t shoot).

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Wearin' muffs when huntin' ain' t an' option when yer callin' bull elk. Also, blast will bounce off anythin' around you an' hit you in the haid. When callin' a bull, a guide tries to git ahind his hunter away from the noise. But if the bull comes in wrong, or the hunter waits too long an' has to shift his position, yer at the mercy of the blast lessn' you wanna drop yer calls an' slap yer hands over her ears. Not an' option when the bull is checkin' you out, now is it? Even with the covered ears, it ain' t pleasant. I carried one of them Marlin Guide Guns for years. Mosly for bear protection. Shot it at the range a lot. Then I got a wild hair an' took it elk huntin' . Shot a cow. The blast bounced off the trees an' rocks ' round me an' I sold thet rifle an' got a proper saddle carbine (M71). Notice thet Marlin ain' t porting these barrels no more. Muzzle brakes an' ported barrels ain' t necessary, an' they wear on yer precious hearin' . I don' t know ' bout you, but I got plans fer my ears in my old age, an' none of it includes a plastic dohicky stuck in ' em.

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maybe i am just a dumb old country boy but i do not and i have not seen anyone wear muffs while hunting. any big caliber round will bounce off things around you. that is not rocket science. it is also not rocket science for the guide to be behind the hunter.if it does not bother the guide then why do they put their fingers in their ear when the shot is made?different styles of muzzle breakes do different things.also it is common sense that tells you that big calibers are louder. so what is your point beaver?.quit trying to be so cute with your language and make sense about the subjest talked about.

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Cal,
Even a unbraked rifle has a blast zone. Rifle ranges lay things out to prevent you from getting into it. But once you get into a more " free form" environment away from the range it is easy to have a mishap. Someone " torching off" a round without figuring the angles can hurt those around them, brake or no brake, although it' s easier to violate someone close by WITH a muzzle break.

Towards evening during elk season, three of us were walking single file down the trail. I topped a small knoll and there they were - 20 or so elk spread out in front of us at 100 yards. I waved the two behind me on up and we were (I thought) strung out in a " straight" line abreast of each other. Since I saw them first I was sitting down getting ready and had a big dry cow in my cross hairs. Never got to pull the trigger, found myself laying on the ground writhing in pain, wasn' t sure what had happened. The hunter to my right had taken an offhand shot five feet to my right and about 2 feet BEHIND me -- I was in the " blast zone" -- that was with a regular rifle.

Now with a muzzlebreak, the blast is ported out the sides of the gun barrell and you can be devastated standing two feet behind (and five feet to the side) the barrel' s end. If you' ve been at the range and had someone with a rough muzzlebreak sit down at the station next to you then you know its not pleasant -- sure you have your hearing protection on but you still know there is something " evil" going on right next door.

Lots of folks are used to deer hunting solitary or shooting out the back of the pickup -- so they don' t have to worry about where they point that Sendero (muzzle blast). If you are hunting with a guide it' s not solitary -- and too many folks don' t mind their manners! So lots of guides (and frequently your fellow hunting partners) hate muzzlebreaks, sure MOST the time the guide is behind the shooter and the hunter is going to be shooting straight ahead -- fine. But take the one time the game suddenly appears at 10 o' clock or 2 o' clock, hunter turns, aims, and fires. Oh, gee/ I' m sorry/I had to get him quick/I forgot what you said/Guess it was buck fever/I just followed my insticts----As a guide you just got screwed, all the logic and argument and discussion (like right here) just went out the window, client gets his elk and the guide is hosed!

Now before I start getting hate mail just let me say that though I don' t have a muzzle break on any of my rifles, I am toying with the idea if I get a 416 and find it a little too frisky -- however, I would use the muzzlebreak for sight in and practice (ear protection ON--Stay Away From Others) and would absolutely take it off and replace it with the " end cap" for hunting (hearing protection OFF--sometimes in close quarters and in a fluid situation).

Robert, we seem to experience recoil and muzzle blast similarly. When I am taking a killing shot I feel NO recoil and hear NO muzzleblast, not in the normal sense, I am aware something has happened alright, but I am focused on the kill. No need for a muzzle break under those circumstances.

I heard one fella on this forum joke, " Yeah, I usually get the first shot on all game if we' re all together, when they see me raise the barrel they all either run or cover their ears." That' s if they are lucky enough to see it coming -- bad form.

P.S. Dep, a tiger without its stripes isn' t a tiger. BJ with out that " cute language" wouldn' t be BJ. Read for the content not the delivery. :)

Never Go Undergunned,
EKM

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EKM - This is kinda funny. After seeing your post I went back and re-read BeaverJack' s post and had an entirely different take on it. When I first read it I thought that he' d been at the range not using hearing protection, and someone in a different lane was shooting a rifle equiped with a muzzle break. I thought that the " critter" he was refering to was the other shooter. Now I realize he was likely out in the field, and the critter was a real life critter. I incorrectly interpreted the beaver-speak and went off on a tangent about always wearing hearing protection, at the range of course. Now I can see that we weren' t even having the same conversation.

I agree with your mention of the using an end-cap for actual hunting. I mentioned something similar. You may recall from a few other posts that I' m a ways away from the big game hunt, but when I graduate to it I' ll likely look into something like that. Also agree with your comments on using hearing protection at the range. I' ve kinda found additional uses for my ear muffs. I use them when running the shop-vac! That things creates such a racket that I decide what the heck, why not use ' em for that as well.

BeaverJack - sorry, my fault, and probably partially the fault of the handfuls of cold medications I' ve been downing these last few days.

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No, I ain' t the cutest thing ' round, hard leathery skin, gray hair an' beard. I gotta cute foot though. Genrly, my cute size 11 fits real good in smart allecks arses. Thet' s the down side of this innernet stuff. I don' t git many ' cute' remarks at the local bar. I don' t think you wanna hear the real version of my " beaver speak" . Thet requires puttin' yer arse where my cute size 11 starts talkin' fer me.

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i guess you have to talk this way due to not being able to do otherwise. lets not start resorting to threats.you have confused me with someone who will put up with your internet bs.knowone can understand half the bs you spout out. i have also noticed in other forums people feel the same way about you. never the less i will never stoop to your level. for your info i wear a size 11 eee.act your age,if possible and stick to the forum subjects.

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I was doing some research and am considering putting a silencer on my rifle (one in mind is the reflex suppressor). They cut recoil, and reduce noise, instead of make it louder. Since they are legal in my state, that might be the best option.

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I' m game to " play along" a bit as folks plan their futures and work through and fine tune their plans and their dreams, but its getting a little bit too deep......

Lets see here....

First its a " fast 30" then it' s a " 416 RemMag" but gee I can' t find anyone who manufactures those anymore (like Remington? or like Winchester?) and then its back to a " fast 30" . [Gun Forum: 416 Remington?]

First its a muzzlebrake, then its a silencer, then its a suppressor....

Tell you what, WHEN you' ve bought your " whatever caliber its going to be" rifle manufactured by whatever company its going to be, and WHEN you' ve put your muzzlebrake or silencer or suppressor or whatever its going to be on it, THEN take a picture of it (put a little card in the picture that says, " EKM is a #@$&!" ) and then post it for all of us to see -- THEN lets talk about it some more.

EKM

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Tussey
where did you find info on reflex surpressors?

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ELKampMaster,

You do have a point. It is hard to make up my mind. There seems to be advantages to all the options, thats why I' m deliberating carefully so I don' t make a purchase I regret.

losthwy,

Here is their site url: http://reflexsuppressors.com

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By the way, EKM
A silencer and a suppressor are the same thing

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Muzzle brakes are a waste of time in a hunting situation anyway kick up dirt dust and increase decibel levels for no good reason...most of the time you have on thick hunting clothes anyway....at the range thugh in warm weather it will allow you to wear a T shirt and do a lot of shooting not just 3 rounds and that' s good enough. EKM if someone had been behind me and lit off one I believe I would have been hurting that individual real bad.[:@]

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if anyone shot any high powered rifle from behind me i would be upset. has nothing to do withna muzzle break.in the field it allows you to hold the gun with more confidence in a crucial shot.sometimes one shot is not enough and i would welcome the muzzle break if i had to fire 2 or 3 shots at something.it also helps you pick up the target on the next shots quicker.

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Best comment I' ve ever heard about them was they make great defoliants before leaf drop in the fall and dandy little dust geysers when shot from the prone position.I have nothing against MB' s as long as you don' t hunt near me.Lucky I' ve got my own range to shoot at, so I don' t have to have one shooting next to me.Hearing loss is far worse and lasts a lot longer than a sore shoulder in my book.

woods

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Statin' facts an' threats is two differnt things. If I wanna talk like moses on Mt. Sinai, ain' t nobody' s business, an' likely not an' issue ' cept here on this idjit tube.

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like i said i will not stoop to your level. again you have me confused with someone who will put up with your internet bs threats.you will not like the results. i also am not the one who is afraid to show my email.

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Show yer email? What the hell does thet mean? Yer texas macho is cute, but it don' t hide yer soft unnerbelly. If you don' t want people to stand up to you, A) you shouldn' t go name callin' to begin with, and B) you better pick another feller to start crap with. Ol' BJ don' t make threats, specially where there ain' t a snowball' s chance in texas of it amountin' to nuthin' .

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once again i will not stoop to your level.this began about muzzlebreaks until you started your name calling and the went to threats.one can barely understand what you say or talk about.as for the email, why is yours hidden? that was my point!!!as we say here in texas--" put up or shut up!!!" also grow up.