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RE: 30-30 for elk?
BowElkDwn,
I've heard once you go bow hunting you'll never go back to rifle hunting. I'm sure it requires an added degree of stalking/hunting skill. Just out of curiosity, what rifles do you use besides the 30-30 and if you got a wild hair and decided to rifle hunt elk which would you use? EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! |
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my son is left handed and i didn't want to pay alot for a left handed rifle. i wanted a 30-30 for along time so i asked for one for fathers day and got one. i use a 30-06 and use 180 grn bullets for elk and will still prefer it over any other rifle because i've used it for almost 20 years now. but that's not saying that i might not use the 30-30 in the future.
the winchester lever action rifle has been arround a long time and has filled a lot of stomachs through out it's history. i don't think that i or anybody should condem another for his or her choice of rifles. my mother used a 30-30 in her day and alot of other women use it for hunting too....... i also enjoy bow hunting for elk and deer but i still rifle hunt when i get drawn for a rifle hunt. if i was finding alot of dead and wounded animals in my neck of the woods i would take a look at the hunters in my hunt unit and not worry about anothers choice of rifle.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> just my .02 [email protected] IF IT IS TO BE...... IT IS UP TO ME...... |
RE: 30-30 for elk?
ElkampMaster
If I did decide to rifle elk hunt again it would just depend on the terrain that I was going to hunt. If I was hunting the unit that I usually bow hunt in I would definently take my 30-30 open sights for the quikness and range of it. If I decided to go to a different spot like New Mexico or Arizona where there is a bigger possibility of a shot more in the 200-250 range than I would probably take a 30-06 or 7mm. I have read before that you use a 375. Those are the guys that scare me. The only reason that you would need a gun that big is to shoot long distance. I know some guys that use those real big guns and they have told me if they can see it they can shoot it. I have also heard the guys that have said "yea I saw an elk on the top of a ridge so I popped off a couple rounds but it didn't go down so we didn't go all the way up there. If you hit them with this big of a caliber you're going to be able to tell he's hit." These might be a few of those wounded elk that you've seen. Just out of curiosity I was wondering what the farthest shot you would take is. |
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My experience with large caliber rifles are that they aren't exactly the best "long range" guns as far as trajectory goes, but I have no experience with the 375.
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i live in arizona and i've never had to shoot over 60-80 yds actually most of my shots have been under 50 yds.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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ElkBowDn,
I regret that my selection of rifles scares you, that is not my intent. Also, congratulations on your telepathic powers, interesting how you claim to know what I do and don't need...." Good imagination! Of all the threads I have read in a while, that one about "big bore magnums being a threat to wounding wildlife" is a "new" angle I have not yet seen nor heard, I'll have to be sure to mention it over on the African board I'm following as I'm sure it will provide a source of endless amusement. The 30-30 discussion has already provided them with a good giggle. Please correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge most governments (including our own states) impose a minimum cartridge performance standard, but I am unaware of any maximums -- must be a reason! As you point out, it is unfortunate that our sport seems to have a never ending supply of folks that see themselves as "prodigy/sniper wannabes" and who think they can ethically take elk at 400, 500, 600 yards and beyond. Regarding your theory that some/most/all folks out there that carry big bores are long range shooters that are stretching the "long end of the kill envelope" I would say, "One has to be careful about applying such generalites to the specifics." If I were to foolishly attempt to generalize that group, I would be prone to sterotype them as being those infatuated with high velocity-flat shooting cartridges fired by memorized ballistics/wind drift table crazed shooters that spend too much time on the bench rest, but on a hunter to hunter examination of the facts that generalization won't hold up any better than yours. Now, out of the "generalities" B.S. and on to the specifics of your post regarding my use of the 375HH. My "specifics" are as follows: 338Mag is really one of my favorite rounds all told and the rifles aren't so heavy to carry as a 375HH, however..... My two boys (age 20) after witnessing the previously discussed "cow elk -- classic behind the shoulder shot -- .270 -- no flinch, no limp, run off -- subsequent mile and quarter tracking job" both wanted to move up in cartridge selection. I obliged. The upper end of my rack goes as follows: .270, 30-06, 338Win (2), and 375HH (never mind the 45-70). They left the .270 and .30-06 behind and now use the two 338mags including my old favorite. Buying another (3rd) 338Mag seemed a bit silly, so I simply moved over to the 375HH. My camp mates gave me a good natured ribbing about the 375HH until opening day at show time that is. I had two elk licenses, two elk came my way, 210 yards, 2 shots, 2 elk down, laid within 30 yards of each other -- Ohhhhhhh Yeahhhhhh! May not long for my old favorite 338 back any more! Regarding the longest shot I would take is, the answer -- and you'll hate this -- is it depends. A fleeting shot free hand, about 70 yards. A shot sitting, over my knees, (must have got caught in the open) with elk standing 200 yards maybe 250yards. A shot standing bracing off of a nice aspen with good and comfortable footing (my favorite) and elk standing about 300 yards. Sorry to disappoint. Miscellaneous Odds and Ends: (1) The longest shot I have taken on anything was an antelope (got him) at a little over 350 yards and that was in my youth, which by your vernacular, I'm sure you can appreciate. (2) Consider expanding your horizons, being too provincial limits experience -- in other parts of the world, the 375 is little more than mid-caliber. (I loved seattlesetters post regarding 30-30's and most game taken -- how true!) (3) In discussions such as this one, when one side's supply of "rational arguing ammo" starts running dry the tendency is to reach for hypotheticals, stories, generalizations, 2nd and 3rd hand references and finally when all else fails, jump up and down and rant about how "I got my rights......" (Never mind any rights the elk might deserve) At that point you know the ammo can done went completely dry. (4) Since it is Super Bowl Sunday lets check the old score board since this thread is late in the fourth quarter: *** (9) Absolutely No - crobride, kodiak (converted), EKM, Nick, Rather, halcon, BJ, Dreamin, and stickerpt *** (3) Waffle, But Recommend Against - elknut, robert scott, duffy *** (3 1/2) Yes/OK/Its Your Right - But No One Current Using A 30-30 - handloader1, 121553, BowElkDwn, Dart (maybe won't use 30-30: 1/2 pt) *** (1/2) Yes - Dart (maybe will use 30-30: 1/2 pt) *** (0) Yes,Yes that's my 30-30 and I currently use it on elk and will again next year (first hand) --------------------------------------------- I really don't think overtime is going to be required for this one! Never undergunned, EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! Edited by - ELKampMaster on 01/26/2003 06:58:20 Edited by - ELKampMaster on 01/26/2003 07:42:08 Edited by - ELKampMaster on 01/26/2003 07:58:32 Edited by - ELKampMaster on 01/26/2003 08:07:26 |
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Don't know if the "small is better" feller was on this thread or not. But, whatever thet feller's smokin' should sell real good. He needs to stick to drugs cause he sure don't know 'bout killin' big animals. Been known for ages thet small pills are more fragile, no matter how they are constructed. Take two rocks, one big and one small, made outta the same granite, and shoot them outta a slingshot at a granite wall. The bigger rock will make the bigger hole and break up into fewer pieces. Simple rock science. Now where can I git some of thet tobaccy he's usin'?
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You guys are funny, I always wondered what would happen when sombody went against the perverbial grain and questioned you. You're narrow-mindedness has provided myself with "a good giggle" because while accusing me of limiting my horizons you haven't recognized that I've used a 30-30 and had success. I've never wounded an animal with a 30-30 and in that case, I've never wounded an animal at all. It's to each persons own and his ethics. I realize that animals have been wounded with a 30-30, just as could happen with a 375 or with any of the cannons that you prefer, which is why I'm not advocating it for everyone. If you hit an elk in the lungs, whether it be with an arrow or bullet, it doesn't matter the size of hole it will make because the elk is going down humanely.
You're right- I'm 24 years young. But I think we've lost focus here. I've taken hunting seriously since I was of legal age and have been successful at it. I walked around in the woods with my father since I could take my first step. I finally started hunting at the age of 12. Those were the longest 12 years of my life. I just couldn't wait to get out there and hunt. I live from hunting season to hunting season and scout in between. I have been able to hunt for 10 years, taken elk in 10 of them and 10 muley bucks. 8 of the elk were 5 and 6-point bulls ranging from 280 to 330. One of the muleys was number three in the state when I killed it. There's no reason for me to have changed the rifle I used just because others can't hit the mark. I don't hunt with a gun anymore because my state makes me choose rifle or bow and I chose archery because of bugling bulls. I've never had the adrenaline run through my vains like having a bull close enough to touch and ripping out a bone crunching bugle. You guys can have your guns and shoot them at hundreds of yards. I'll stick with a few feet. The bottom line, and the reason I defend a 30-30 is this: If I can shoot elk with an arrow and they go down in less than 20 yards, I think a 30-30 will do the trick. Actually I know it will, I've done it myself. You can keep lugging around your big guns leaning on a small tree and pop of a shot at 300 yards and watch your elk pile up. I'm still picking my bow. Your vernacular may be impressive but a college education doesn't put elk in your freezer! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Having my son live in NC for the better part of the year I didn't know he even belonged to the boards here, I guess all my talking about them has made him a convert. Obviously he's been following this thread and had some points of his own to make although I thought the points made and the truce called was enough. He's been taught well and obviously has plenty of experience on his own. He's a man now with his own opinions, and good ones!! I'm proud of you boy!
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Hold the press! Change of vote - not only is our first currently active 30-30 user been found but someone who has taken amazing amounts of game of the highest caliber (no pun intended) in an amazingly short time. Truly impressive.
Former Score: 9 - 3 - 3.5 - .5 - 0 (Essentially 12 to 4) Revised Score: 9 - 3 - 2.5 - .5 - 1 (Essentially 12 to 4+) I assume dad's advice to crobride's visitor would be the same he'd give his own, i.e. "30-30 not recommended" so I guess young'in hasn't been following dad's advice given that trail of 30-30 destruction but we were all that way once. Is "you guys" (rifle elkhunters) kind of like "you people" (as in racial slur)? Applying generalities to specifics -- again? Some of us'n's ain'ts got sich a gud edycation and well, some of us do. However, seems like most everybody until now knows which forum to go to if they are looking for folks of similar mind (kinda like picking the correct bathroom) and if you infiltrate a forum where you know people are of different mind (you lowly rifle hunters) and get a negative reaction why would you be the least surprised? Interesting, how when countered point, to point, to point, to point instead of picking up where you left off; you brushed it all off as narrow minded and went yapping off in a new direction as youngins is known to do. Dad, you did a pretty good job of teaching junior how to argue and stand up. One's got to watch out in a written argument though - you can't be quite as lax as in a verbal argument. That line, "I think a 30-30 will do the trick. Actually I know it will, I've done it myself" may well create questions in our readership here. Someone who has blazed a swath of 30-30 destruction as wide and as long as was described would speak a bit more authoritatively at that particular junction. Also, the truce you mention was in place and holding. I was just wrapping up small talk with a bowhunter and another fellow who has a son hunting, when here comes this little undercover dynamo that wants to argue the demerits of "using too much gun." Only took one go around to get things out from undercover and in the open. And one go round of "point on point" to quickly get that line of talk abandoned and then go dragging the thread off in a new direction (bashing rifle hunters in general) without finishing up business where it was left off. Ah well, youth, they do have a short attention span! Score is 12 to 4 and you have me double teamed 2 to 1 - show me what you got boys! It's going to require a touchdown and an extra point conversion just to get into over time. 15, 14, 13, 12 ....... "Narrow minded" when it comes to the elk's welfare and still Never Undergunned, EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! |
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BowElkDwn 'n Elknut, I'm one wit out de collage edcation but I know from hard years o' huntin' that overall 30/30s 'n elk is a bad mix! I been followerin' this here thred with my dictionary 'n best I can figure you boys been fed 1 bad arsed can of arse whoop! I'd jus give it up fer yur to fer behind.
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I firmly believe in the line, "it's not how much bang you got but knowing how to use the bang you got". If I had to look in my safe for an elk gun over the 3030 I would choose a 12 gauge shotgun, shooting 385 grain Winchester sabot slugs,has same range restrictions as the 3030 but with substantial more energy at all ranges
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EKM:
I for one can appreciate the respect that you talk about with these animals. I love to hunt. I love hunting elk, but I don't particularly enjoy the killin' part. There is nothing that wrenches my gut more than wounding an animal an it don't die quick. Elk, deer and any other game animal deserve the cleanest kill that can had. If that means taking more gun then so be it. Life begins where the pavement ends! |
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Lets look at this,
a 30-30 requires a level of skill to use effectivly that would be hard for even an experienced hunter to obtain and maintain, making the 30-30 an "unstable" elk rifle at best. If it wasn't, more people would use it. Now other than knowing how to tame the recoil on the 375, it requires much less skill (and luck) than a 30-30 to use effectivly. An ammount that can be obtained by the average hunter. Illiminating more variables in shot placement as in you can go for the shoulder, and/or at a longer range, basicly it will preform very well if you hit an elk anywhere in the vitals at any decent range where as a 30-30 can not. This makes the 375 an exteamly stable, overall good choice for elk. You guys didn't need me to tell you that the 375 is better for elk than a 30-30 is. What I am showing by this comaprison is, that if you are going to use a rifle, then why not use a good reliable one? A 30-30 will work. Like BJ said so would a slingshot (they make slingshots for big game). That doesn't make it a good choice. And there are just so many things (variables) that can go wrong with using a marginal caliber like a 30-30 that it makes it a bad choice for elk. So for the average hunter, 30-30 + elk = Bad choice (at least not a good one) 375H&H + elk = Good reliable choice. "Hey ya'll, watch this" Edited by - Kodiakhuntmaster on 01/26/2003 18:40:06 |
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It's half time in the super bowl so I thought I would come and write a little something. I just wanted to say if anyone would come up to me and ask me what gun they should use for elk hunting I certainly wouldn't tell them to run out and buy a 30-30. I was just simply replying because I happened to have experience with that particular gun and thought I would give my 2 cents. As for me bashing on all gun hunters I wasn't trying to do that. I hunt with a gun some years and it can be exciting too. I did have fun arguing with you though, we'll have to do it again.
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Ouch! This............ should be interesting! Son, have you ever heard of shooting yourself in the foot? We don't get signed confessions very often, made a copy just so I could have it framed!
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No, he'd never advise anybody to hunt elk with a 30-30 but he'll post it on a board where 5 million pink-arses can see it an' figur thet whitetail gun their daddy left 'em in the closet will be fine if they wanna spring for a over-the-counter tag in Colorady an' try their hand at Wapiti. Ever time a feller tells me a huntin' story an' says he "don't know how me missed that shot", I cringe thinkin' thet he probly didn't miss, jus' too ignorant to know he was unnergunned an' left a gut shot elk out there for somebody to find next year. Ever notice how the fellers with the puny calibers seem to miss a lot? Saw one ol' boy with a 243 shoot a bull, an' when the bull walked back into the trees, he declared he musta missed clean an' wanted to go git lunch afor looking for another chance. I found the bull 500 yards away an' put him down with a killin' shot from my 45-70. Lots of them fellers roamin' the hills nowadays.
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I've watched this thread since it's inception. I did not post on the subject as I've never even shot a 30-30 or ever seen a real live elk!
But!!! EKM I liked your post at first. I thought I had found someone with a lot of expierience to gain useful info from. Now you act like the god of elk hunting and we are supposed to believe everything you say. This is 2003! We have running water and street lights now. Your trying to tell somebody his gun ain't worth a **** just because new one's have been invented. And what's this Bull**** score thing your made up???? huh??? You want to impress somebody, talk about you expieriences and not about what "Joe should do". Iallays wunnerd y yourn an blojobs and whoevert mulekisser's is post alays faller ech udin' You have a computer and are obviosly long winded and contrary to popular belief, amazingly very expierienced. TELL US!!! WE WANT TO LEARN!!! Just don't feed us BS and think we'll listen. Good Luck. Capt Brad. |
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CB, I believe that Elkamp wasn't tring to act like the god of elk hunting. The topic just had gotten "heated" and people were singling him out because he was the most vocal one on the topic. Then a truce was called.
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Sorry about that, I must have had a few to many to drink last night during the super bowl and wasn't thinking straght. I have had success with a 30-30 and am not scared to use it again. It might not be the gun for everyone but it does work. For those that do pack around the 30 pound gun because they are scared of wounding an animal, TO EACH HIS OWN! You can still wound them just as easy. Take a 30-30 and shoot an elk through the guts and take a 375 and shoot them in the same spot. Good luck finding either of them. I was wondering do you actually shoot the animal or just beat it to death with that club. It might just be easier to roll down your window and use that as a rest.
If I had to make a choice for a good rifle for elk I would pick the 7mm. For those that feel they need bigger there is a saying for them that ends with, they're just compensating for something. In your case accuracy or the lack to get in close. Shoot what you have confidence in! BowElkDwn |
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Captain Brad,
There is some truth in what you say. They say don't get in a pissing match with a skunk - and with that "father-son" son team (if thats what they are - I'm not sure) I sure enough did and the whole thing stunk before it was over. As I was going toe to toe with them, it was in the back of my mind that this thread isn't just between me and "them" but other folks are reading too, but things had just kinda taken on a life of their own. Sorry if the "god like" halo came out while the "discussion" raged - just competitive - I'll put it away. Bit confused about the "share experiences" part. I think you'll find more "soul bearing" and experience sharing in my stuff than in most the thread - of course when you do that your labelled "long winded" (which is true by the way). I felt like the fire department following in the trail of an arsonist. Its easy for the arsonist to set the fires. It is harder and takes longer for the fire department to put them out and I was determined to "stomp out" each little ember. You have accurately noted that BJ and I frequently end up on the same thread. Writing anything meaningful takes time and mental energy and one has to pick issues that are worth the effort and let the rest go. When I quickly skim the forum and see BJ's (and some others I watch for) handle on a thread I know it might be of interest and worth while - since I write long I have to at least be efficient in where I go. If you watch you'll notice we don't always end up on the same side. The scoring system? When you can't get anyone to finish a point of discussion before they go "yapping" off to something else (the arsonist analogy) sometimes all you can do is attempt to point out that their position is essentially unsupported. It's nice to be liked. I don't consider myself a troll, but I'm not here for a popularity contest. ESPECIALLY, when it comes to irresponsible actions that have a high probability of wasting our precious resoure - the elk - who by the way have no rights but sure deserve more than what they're getting. Never Undergunned, EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! |
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Ok, now this is getting to be a pain. John, of course shot placement is more important than magnum power. And using a magnum rifle isn't about chest thumping oo's and ahh's from your buddies. Yes a 30-30 will work. But some people like to use equipment suited (specialized) to the game they hunt. That's what it's all about.
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Under field conditions, shot placement is over-rated. When shootin' offhand or anytime 'cept from a rest, you AIM for the middle of the kill zone presented, you don't place nuthin'. You anitcipate that yer shot will be off a lil', not perfectly PLACED. Dumb idear, this shot placement, in my book.
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If the cost of ammo lies between you and practice then you won't be going elk hunting anyway as elk hunting isn't cheap even when you live in state and hunt on public land. Too much pretend elk hunting talk going on here.
Leapin' Lizards Batman - He shoots a magnum and he's accurate! What will we do now? EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! Edited by - ELKampMaster on 01/27/2003 12:02:49 |
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John makes a good point, jus' in a radical sort of way. Anybody what knows me knows I support cartridges of moderation. Like goldy locks, not too small, not too big, but jus' right. The cartidges based on the '06 case are my favorites. The '06 is shootable for mos' people, changin' a lil' up or down is easy to manage and maintain skill level with modest practice. Mags are for big fellers thet practice a lot. But once you drop unner the 270, you drop outta the dependable kill level for elk, an' skill grows in importance again, but for a differnt reason. I know this is old hat fer everbody, but there's jus' so many topics, an' nobody likes talkin' bout the outdoors cause they ain't been raised there. Guns an' gadgets git re-done to death an' I'm almost numb from it. I think I'll take a break from the boards an' work on insulatin' my house an' keepin' my blood alchohol level up for the balance of the winter. Adios.
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This topic has gone way off course. Lets examine the facts.
Fact#1) The original post was a gentleman asking if his friend who has only hunted whitetails should come and west and shoot an elk with a 30-30. Fact#2) There are people than can consistenty and cleanly kill an elk with a 30-30. Fact#3) Compared to other rifles the 30-30 is a poor choice for elk. Everyone keeps bringing up these points but most of you are not making the connection and are not seeing the point. BeaverJack is saying pretty good and so is Elkampmaster. The 30-30 WILL kill an elk and in the hands of the RIGHT individual the 30-30 can be as deadly as any weapon. But the point is when someone new is coming out west, never hunted elk before, they should be using something better suited for elk. In every aspect of life there are people who are experts with extraordinary talents but I don't want this guy finding out on MY elk whether hes good at killing em with a 30-30. The angle some of you are taking is I've killed lots of elk with a 30-30 so its ok for everyone to use one and that is not true. If you can consistantly kill an elk with a 30-30 you have above average talent. That is why it should be phased out. NO ONE who is new to hunting should be using a 30-30 on elk. Another arguement is that a 30-30 has killed more elk than anything, I'm not sure that is true or not but I do know that 30-30's have wounded more elk than any other rifle. Shot placement is important but again I can't believe that anyone who has hunted for many years would instruct a beginner that it's "everything". These are not Texas whitetails and the terrain is comepletely different. You judge distances wrong, maybe the animal is moving or not completely broadside and angling. Maybe your in the trees shooting and misjudge the wind. My point is that you can't always count on making a perfect shot, you should have a rifle that will punch thru a shoulder blade and a 30-30 cannot do that consistantly at any range. There are those out there that are so talented that they almost never miss but this is the real world folks. The average Joe is an average shot. That means if everyone used a 30-30 on elk the rate of wounded animals would go way up. If someone is new we should instruct him to use something more effecient. I have seen many wounded animals and its a horrible sight. Too many out of staters that have wounded animals around here and then go out and kill another cause they couldn't find the first. Every year in the mountains above my house I find a half dozen or so animals with bullet holes in them that some one couldn't find. Congratulations to those of you who have mastered the 30-30 on elk and its ok with me for you to continue using them. But I hope you are a dying breed because I don't want the INexperienced and UNtalented out here practicing on the elk herd around here. I too have seen too many animals wounded with good shot placements with lesser rifles. I have also seen it with better rifles but it is much more rare. Respect for the game says this is the right thing to do. |
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Thank you, rather.... reason without emotion makes for a far more logical argument. We're all passionate about this stuff, but in a technical argument/debate, it makes it hard to stay on track. As an aside, the antis must just love seeing these discussions into "who's killed more?" contests...
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Thanks to all for your input. I am going to ask my friend to "step up'" his rifle before joining me in Wyoming. I have the utmost respect for the shooter that is confident with stalking within range and shot placement, even if some consider the 30-30 less than ideal. I personally try to get within 200 yards or better and very much enjoy the weight , accuracy and power of my model 700 30-06, in 180 grain. Thanks again and shoot straight! C.Rob
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You are wise, crobride.
Myself, and the elk you will be hunting thank you. Never Undergunned, EKM Good judgment comes from bad experience! Half of elk hunting is knowing what NOT to do! |
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Crobride I also agree yout partner will be better off with this decision. As I said in my very first post the 30/06 was no doubt the better choice. I'll bet you're already getting all excited and can't wait to hunt with him. I wish both of you luck and let us know how it goes. elknut1.
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