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As a side note: My, how the tone has changed compared to the initial post.
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Answering on point:
I believe you are simply refusing to deal with the pointthat many of us do not feel the "new improved bullets" are superior to the ones we have been using all along (such as Nosler Partition, Swift A-Frame,and Barnes monometal) and hence the "superior quality bullet" factor you are holding up as "newly arrived, transforming news" is not really news to us; therefore, what is the real impetus for us to change our opinion?


Epilogue:
And at last, wecome to what appears to bethe underlying motivation for this thread....

IMHO, someone with a cross section of weapons andexperience and then turning and pointing to the performance threshold they see working better/best for a given game specie (like elk)makes for a more credible recommendationand carries less emotional bias than someone promoting their dear (no pun intended), old, "one and only," "best-est gun that ever was" rifle.
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If you wish tolimit yourselftoa singletool for all sized jobs from teeny to tall, then, by all means,knock yourself out and good luck with those supposedly new"Viagra bullets". If you insist on promoting the "one-gun-does-all agenda" then Ido believe such a mission would be better accomplished bya heavier, yet more versatile round like the30-06 than a 270; however, when folks only have one rifle they can get pretty determined that "that one is thee only one" to the exclusion of other possibilities.

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Okay, EKM you closed byparroting David Petzal!Now I'm confused. I thought we were supposed to ignore the big magazine editor guy and listen to some random, faceless dude on the internet!

You are really running out of material and should probably let'er slide. Of course, then that would give me the last word, so of course dudely honor won't allow that. Tell ya what. This here post is my last one on this thread. I'll grant the last word to you, but let me close this one out in style.

First, I'm unaware of any point at which I said the 270 was "the best-est gun that ever was" or anything even remotely resembling that. I really like it, but to each his own.

Second, when you really, really, really boil it down, what we are talking about on all these endless threadsis an argument between accuracy and killing power. You come down on the killing power side of the argument. Good for you. I'll take accuracy, and figure that a double lung hit with anything this side ofabout 100grains of good lead will kill anything on the continent. I see my job as to insure the double lung hit. (Note I am assuming an inherent accuracy advantage to shooting a rifle of lesser recoil.)

In our family, we have 2 270s, a 308, and a 300 Win Mag. Who do you think wounds the most elk? It ain't close. The 300 Win Mag wounds, and loses, more elk than the other 3 combined. Why? Because the 300 Win Mag user takes all your big caliber arguments and uses them as a license to let fly at any elk, any time.The rest of us use a bit of discretion inpicking our shots, even to the point of letting an elk go without shooting.

Finally, where do we get off in this materialistic country of ours with the idea that you gotta have 10 rifles? Am I way off here? Did Jim Bridger head off into the wild blue with two pack animals, one for his supplies and the other to carry 12 different calibers/makes of rifle 'cause God forbid he shoot an antelope with the same round he would later use on an elk? Did Billy the Kid sit in his room and study ballistic charts pondering which revolver would be best to use on the local town marshall?

I think there is some woodsmanship involved in making do with one caliber. That is my point of pride, if I have one on this issue, not somelame love affair with a given rifle caliber.

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Not aware of where my "closing"parroted anyone other than referencing your position versus my recommendation (Note: We've had 30-06 as our elk camp minimum for years).

I see no further content regarding thenew "super bullets", perhaps material is running short.

While the 300WinMagis a nice "baby mag",itis no where near being a "big caliber" nor a "big cartridge" in theoverall cartridge continuum.

Consider the possibilityusing the best of both worlds when pursuing these magnificent animals, i.e.hit them where it counts AND usesubstantialkilling power to do it (what you call "bigcaliber" ----it really ain't that hard to master].

Most who experiencesmoking a bull with a rifle chambered for a "heavier" cartridge rifleseldomlook back to their deer rifles until their health fails them.This point surfaced in spades with a majority of the players in the Elk Cartridge Preference Poll with over 100 respondees over more than one year.

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While I often envy the one riflehunter, It don work for me. I don't need ten but it don't hurt:D. If I was a one rifle man, that rifle would be a 375H&H or 375 Ruger, That is if I were hunting most all species every where.

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I've tried then but I never could get them to group well out of my rifle so I've only poked holes in paper with Barnes X out of my 7mm Mag.

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Must.........not.........post.........on........27 0........thread.........I can't fight it anymore. I was sort of, kind of, almost thinking about, buying into this "new premium bullet better on elk" thing and that it could have some legs so I watched this thread closely. Now I justthink that it's an illusion meant to confuse and distort what we all believe as individuals to be reality.



But I will say Dirt2 you represented your side of the argument quite nicely until you said this. In the future don't use someone who goes willy nilly with his.300 calas an argument to use a 270. I don't care if you are shooting a 22 LR or .50 BMG, the same shooting rules and disciplines apply. If you don't have those disciplines then what caliber\cartridge you are using is irrelevant. The problem lies in the brain of the lost soul, not on his shoulder.

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Damm, I'm glad I don't use a bow for elk, or a muzzleloader for that matter.;)

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The 338 Federal will be the answer that will end all arguments..

Perfect for elk, the www.federalcartrige.com banner advertising implies that.

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I didn't know when I bought my 300 ultra mag that I was supposed to drop all my own personal ethics in hunting. Does this mean its okay for me to cheat on my wife also?:eek:

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If more elk are wounded and lost with the 300win mag,it's because you have an incompetent shooter in your family.I have seen the same type of incompetent shooters using 270s and 30-06s with the same results.Don't blame the equipment,blame the operator.