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just found this on the title page of MSN.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/?GT1=9033

Now we are all just brain washed by the NRA to blindly attack just for the hell of it.

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B.C. hunter, are you from the states or from Canada?
The structue of the NRA is always beenfirearms first. It is a support system just like the Rockey Mountain Elk Foundation, Pheasants Forever and NWTF are to hunting. It is a shame we can't better figure out how to shut down certainareas of our opponets like we do when we banish our own that have gonea straywith thier comments. Thats easy to do because they were dependant of us.If we could better find out what tradingstock or what companys the "new congress" supports or some that own businesswe would be able to better boycott andnegetivly effectthem. Better yet I feel like doing what they do andstalk and stuff a microphone in sometheir faces like their supporters do!Also,the last time I checkedI believe the U.S. membership for the NRA was higher than in CAN andwe stillhave our gun rights and as a US citizen I will NEVER give up my 2nd. Like they say, you want it here it is and"you can pry it from my cold dead fingers"if you want it that bad!

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NJ---
I couldn't agree with you more. This country though, is made up of many, many Monday morning quarterbacks. They talk a great game, but thats it.
I love and believe in the 2nd with all my heart and have written, emailed and voted accordingly. I even had the opportunity to attend a breakfast with Governess Whitman becuase of my mother's political affiliations. First question from me" So, where do you stand on firearms ownwership and hunting within this state?"
More time than not, I feel like my efforts are meaningless because I keep hearing and seeing New Jerseyians say the same thing" my vote don't mean a thing" or " I don't have the time to get involved"... A pitty for sure.
NJ is becoming more and more leftist liberal and I fear our future with hunting and gun ownership. If push comes to shove, I'll sell my house and move to a gun/hunter friendly state very soon; whether my wife likes it or not!!!!

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BJheadhunter69 I too am a us citizen and fight like hell for OUR 2A rights read my post before you try and start something with me. I've been a member of the NRA for all of my adult life. I'm against everything Zumbo has said and done. Buy a vowel or catch a clue before you point your finger in my direction.

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BC, I wasn't pointing the finger. All I asked you was where your from. I saw the bottom of your post and it sounded like you weren't a supporter. I also was just trying to point out that I (we) shouldn't stand around and wait for what happened in Canada.

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NJ haveing lived in both countries I would never wish what happened in Canada to happen to any country. Canada is a joke when it comes to gun regulation. They have no voice nor do they want one they look at things in a manner that puzzle's me. Maybe on a good day they'll get 25% turn out on a vote. The sportsman are way to divided to have any voice or power to effect the vote. It was great to see how quickly everybody jump up and took a stand on this one.

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I agree with Zumbo, hunting with assault rifles is not in hunters best interest.HUGELY bad P.R. image, bordering on plain and simple dumb.

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Well I believe that hunters should only be permitted to carry single shot rifles, and only carry one round. Obviously the bad PR generated by hunters leaving the impression that they blaze away at wildlife using military rounds such as the .308 or 30-06 borders on plain and simple dumb. Sarcasm intended.

The people who oppose hunting or oppose firearm ownership hardly concern themselves with the make and model of our rifles. Read some of the links to the Brady group statements in other threads on the Zumbo topic. To them the .223, .308, 30-06 are all "military rounds".

I disagree with Zumbo, not just what he said butwhy he said it. Reading his blog he stated that he was unaware that AR and AK type rifles were used for varmint hunting, and seemed to state that he had no experience with such. So he put himself out there as an authority on hunting, and what makes a firearm a "terrorist" tool, basically blovating out of his *ss, and deserves what happened to him. He shot his mouth off about something he had no knowledge or experience with and did everyone a disservice.

There are AR15 rigs that make excellent varmint rifles. To look at them you might not even make a connection with the M16. And how is someone shooting prarie dogs out west with whatever kind of rifle making any impression on some SOB in New York or San Francisco?

If you don't want to use an AR or AK type rifle, fine. But your statement makes about as much sense as my initial sarcastic comment.Simply because you or Jim Zumbo gets the idea that its inappropriate doesn't mean that the rest of the country should stop using them. The term "assault rifle" has close to no meaning. Aside from the .22 rimfire, every rifle in my safe shoots a heavier round that may go farther, faster, and/or hit harder than a my .223. The look of the gun firing the round should not be the determining factor.

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And I agreed with you until I learned more about them, and more importantly until I read everythinghe said.Zumbo actually called them terrorist weapons and said they should be banned from the field.

If you read the latest bill on the floor (posted nearby on another thread) it would ban an auto load shotgun simply because it has a pistol grip.

Our threat is not the anti-guns. They know the gun lobby is too powerful for a ban on hunting. However, let's say they get this pistol grip turkey gun banned. Then justwaita fewyears and introduce a small modification to that bill, convincing Joe non-hunter that this turkey gun is just as dangerous without the grip as it is with the grip. (Using our own argument against us - that it is the "same gun".) Now you have 3.5 inch auto load shotguns banned. Then its the 3 inch, and on it goes.

Same could be true for the AR. It is chambered in rounds very close to what we hunt with. Get it banned, then keep making small modifications to than ban until you get around to my plain jane bolt action .270.

Here's where I'm on your page,Losthwy . . . hunters do need to be aware of our image and police ourselves. Acting like we are in battle with the animals is hugely damaging. Wounding them and making little to no effort to retrieve them. Talking too much about the rack with no mention of the meat. Cheering and laughing about killing the varmints and how they explode on impact. Shootinginto herds or groups to see what drops.

A hunter with a bolt action .270 who acts like an idiot does a lot more damage to huntingthan a hunter with an AR who is respectfulabout his hunt, his game, and non-hunters.

Losthwy, please be careful with the Feds and people who say "ban". Many of them think they are actually helping this country out as they whittle away at our freedom. Each whittle is just a shaving until the stick is gone.

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Good post jones!

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CBS attacked AR owners last night on "Cold Case"... See my thread here:

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2017223

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And I agreed with you until I learned more about them, and more importantly until I read everythinghe said.Zumbo actually called them terrorist weapons and said they should be banned from the field.

If you read the latest bill on the floor (posted nearby on another thread) it would ban an auto load shotgun simply because it has a pistol grip.

Our threat is not the anti-guns. They know the gun lobby is too powerful for a ban on hunting. However, let's say they get this pistol grip turkey gun banned. Then justwaita fewyears and introduce a small modification to that bill, convincing Joe non-hunter that this turkey gun is just as dangerous without the grip as it is with the grip. (Using our own argument against us - that it is the "same gun".) Now you have 3.5 inch auto load shotguns banned. Then its the 3 inch, and on it goes.

Same could be true for the AR. It is chambered in rounds very close to what we hunt with. Get it banned, then keep making small modifications to than ban until you get around to my plain jane bolt action .270.

Here's where I'm on your page,Losthwy . . . hunters do need to be aware of our image and police ourselves. Acting like we are in battle with the animals is hugely damaging. Wounding them and making little to no effort to retrieve them. Talking too much about the rack with no mention of the meat. Cheering and laughing about killing the varmints and how they explode on impact. Shootinginto herds or groups to see what drops.

A hunter with a bolt action .270 who acts like an idiot does a lot more damage to huntingthan a hunter with an AR who is respectfulabout his hunt, his game, and non-hunters.

Losthwy, please be careful with the Feds and people who say "ban". Many of them think they are actually helping this country out as they whittle away at our freedom. Each whittle is just a shaving until the stick is gone.
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It seems as tho you have captured the essence of the cancer in our country that is liberalism. Dr Michael Savage would be proud of you for that summation above. The cancer starts slow...ban this little gun thing, ban that little gun thing, pretty soon we're like the Crown Colonies and Eastern Europe.

If I see a guy hunting with an AR SKS M16 Or 50 cal, I'll just give him a big ol SALUTE and a wave ... and continue minding my own business and not his. I just bought 4 guns in the last 4 weeks, and dont know when I'll stop...but it will not be because of the antigun commies in our government.

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i still say that it doesnt matter if ya like ARs or not, if we lose one, it wont be long til we lose more.

thats why i would not vote any of them out, rather i like em or not.....

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Amen jones! Let's see here. The "assault"rifles were classified by among other things as having a pistol grip stock and a bayonet. When was the last time anybody heard of crime being committed with a fixed bayonet? And if you replace that short pistol grip stock with a thumbhole sniper stock it is no longer considered dangerous to society! With amazingly stupid mentalities like these, any weaponcould be next on the ignorants agenda to ban. We cannot give an inch or we will lose a mile. Just look at Canada and England.

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Well, do you guys like to be in the huntingwoods with hunters using Street Sweepers, Mac 10's, Semi Auto's with 30 RD clips, etc.,etc.,etc........Just becauseit'sour 2nd Amend. right, it's not sensible to do so!

We as hunters, about 95%,have ethics and sensibility about us, but there is always that 5% that ruins it for the rest of us!

Yes, it's my2nd Amend. right, but in my State it's 3 in Shotguns and 5 in Center Fire. So what do I tell the Game Warden when I get caught?....Hey man, it's my 2nd Amend. right!:eek:I don't think so!;)

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Come on Reb when your hunting with AR you use a five round mags. No differentthan a a Win mod 100 or the rem auto loaders. You are not alolowed to hunt with full auto any where in the us. And I believe that the restriction is Five center fire round max across the board.

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1% I would say. I usually agree with you reb, but, You are dead wrong on this. We must remain united.

Have you ever shot a Class 3 weapon? I'm not talking for hunting, just shooting milk jugs or the like. I've never seen anyone shoot a full auto weapon that didn't have a smile on there face afterwards. They are just plain fun. Isn't that what its about? Having fun. Don't we hunt for fun? Don't we shoot at the range for fun? Hey, there is about one percent of the population that use firearms for unlawful reasons. Guess what even if the weapons are banned it won't stop them.

Treat yourself to a day at Thunder Ranch, You will have an absolute ball!

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No state permits full auto for hunting andthose that dopermit semi autos restrict the magazine capacity to 5 rounds. Like many other uninformed non hunters andhunters alike, when theyhear or read the names of firearms like AK 47, AR 15 and M1 A1 they group theseas assault rifles. Yet Win. model 1907 sl, Rem. 81 and Woodsman, BAR's, Ruger 10/22, Benelli R1, Weatherby Mark XXII, and M1 Garandto name a few are in fact the same or even more powerful than the dreaded assault rifle. Like the BAR from WW II in 30:06. Originally a full autofirearm now a popular hunting semi auto.And what about shotguns? I guess you may as willinclude the fast shooting semi auto shotguns from Bennelli, Beretta and a multitude of other manufacturers into the assault group. Have you everwondered why the anti's and leftists decided on the term Assaultrifle for the chosen few? The term was first coined by Adolf Hitler to a specific gun developed for WW II. Now this term is assigned by the anti's with the mystiqueof the evil that first coined the phrase ASSAULT RIFLE. It's timethe informedeliminate the word assault from theirvocabulary when speaking about semi auto firearms. As to the comment about " huntingwoods with hunters using Street Sweepers, Mac 10's, Semi Auto's with 30 RD Mag"the same feeling I get when in a duck blind with 5 of my hunting friends surrounded by10 other blinds each withmultiple huntersall carryingsemi auto shotguns with 5 capacity; all wanting to shoot the same duck. I believe they call this responsible hunting...

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Texas does not restrict magazine capacity, except for compliance with federal migratory bird regulations. I regularly hunt with a 30 round magazine. This took 3 shots... :D

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Yep! I served in two branches of the military. I also have owned .45cal Thompson's and at one time also owned a Street Sweeper. Have owned many SKS's and AK-47's and M1 carbines which were converted to full. Mac 10's were a dime a dozen down here.

Hey, I live in a Drug Dealer state. These weapons were a House Hold item down here 40yrs ago.

I do have to agree with you, they are alot of Fun to shoot!:DThe fact still remains, my statelaw is Shotguns plugged to 3 rds and Centerfires no more than 5 in magazines for hunting!

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IPSC I believe Texas allows hunting with unlimited round mags for rim fire only not center fire rifles. I think they are limited to five round cap. Now dont go and jump on me I haven't with the family down there in a while but I do believe I recall the five round limitation.

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Sorry, you're wrong. This isfrom the Texas Parks & Wildlife site, from the 2006-2007 hunting regulations: