RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

I would take him out to shoot a bigger gun first, dont force him into buying a magnum when he wont even be able to shoot it cause of recoil or something. Id rather see him shoot his 270 and make a 200 yard shot than be peer pressured into getting into the magnum craze and start flinching then hell be shooting all over the place and be hitting the elk in the guts. A 270 in the boiler room at 300 yards is 100 times better than a magnum in the guts cause he gets to flinching. Just have him practice, practice, practice with his 270 and a good premium bullett, and if you do talk him into a bigger gun, make sure he knows that just because he has the bigger gun doenst mean he can still go blazing at 400 yards. takes practice and like i said before, most hunters cant even shoot that far, with a smaller or bigger rifle. My 270 with 150 noslers is my elk gun and it does great here in Washington.
My .02 cents

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Edited by - kirkl on 12/06/2002 18:55:37

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

Buck,
What you ain't realizin' (still) is thet I hunt elk with a 270. An' I don't know a single bowhunter thet uses rifle tactics. An' anybody seasoned with a muzzleloader ain't a greenhorn. Greenhorns buy kmart rifles with big scopes an go afield hopin' their hardware will make up fer skill. They are right to a degree, but there really ain't no substitute fer skill, an' shootin' at an' elk ain't placin' nuthin', specially with a unskilled shooter and hunter. If I'm bushwhackin' a deer at 10 yds with a arrer, I'm aiming for the center of 'is vitals. I ain't placin' a shot. It jus' ain't thet fine an' anybody sayin' "shot placement is everything" is jus' a bench rest shooter hopin' to make up fer his inability to shoot where he aims by turnin' the act of killin' into a high tech crutch. Its unnerstandable, young fellers now ain't raised up huntin' so they try to book learn it an' spend themselves into a hunter. Some things jus' gotta be learnt the hard way. Ain't no such thing as placin' a shot in real huntin' situations. Not snipin' from 1/4 mile cause thet ain't real huntin'. I hunted with a front stuffer afor I even knowed what a 30'06 shell looked like, an' I tell you thet aimin' ain't placin'. Placin' assumes a level of control thet does not exist in real huntin', an' should never be relied on to make up fer shortcomings in woodcraft, off-hand marksmanship, or caliber.

BJ


Edited by - BeaverJack on 12/06/2002 17:51:14

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

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seattlesetters You are full of crap.
I am pulling this information from the Remington webpage if you want to double check it for yourself.
The 30-06 shooting a 180-grain Nosler Partition bullet will have
1864 foot pounds of energy at 300-yards.
The 270 shooting a 150-grain Nosler partition bullet will have
1734 foot pounds of energy at 300-yards.

30-06 at 400-yards has 1590 ft-lbs.
270 at 400-yards has 1480 ft-lbs.

30-06 at 500-yards has 1349 ft-lbs.
270 at 500-yards has 1256 ft-lbs.

Remington does not offer a 150-grain Nosler Partition in the 30-06.

The advantage to the 30-06, you can shoot larger bullets with more energy.
Your friend can kill his elk with his 270. I have personally killed 3-elk with my 270. Just tell him to use a premium bullet and take out the front shoulder.

meat lasts a year but horns last a lifetime.

Robert


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Robert - Please run the numbers using a 160gr bullet in the .270.

Good Dogwork and Good Hunting

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

I'd like to see them numbers too. The 160 ain't knowed 'bout by too many hunters. Onct you see one loaded, there cain't be much doubt its a tuff number.

BJ

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

Beaver; your second last post isn't worth a reply.You must be the most knowledgeable person on this message board........

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

Ifn it ain't worth replyin' to, then why'd you bother? I ain't knowledgeable bout nuthin' but my own mind. Sorry ifn I cain't sweet talk you into thinkin' the way I do, but I jus' weren't raised thet way. As a youngin', I got whopped up aside the haid when I did sumthin' stupid. Yall will jus' have to settle fer my words.

BJ

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

I'm going to have to go with kirkl on this. As I said earlier the .270 is plenty capable of taking elk cleanly. I would rather see him use his .270 that he is atleast somewhat familiar with than go buy a 338 mag or the like and flinch or worse, think that just cause he has a magnum he will be able to shoot 400 yards accurately. If he doesn't shoot the .270 much don't think that he will shoot the magnum any more than his .270 especially once it starts kicking him. I know that I absolutly don't like to use anybody elses gun unless I really have to. I like to shoot a gun that I am familiar with and have confidence in and know the bullet is going to go where I aimed. If your friend has some self control and isn't stupid when it comes to shooting animals then take the .270. If he is then leave him at home.

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

New Revelation!

He went with a new outfitter,
The guide said that he would do his best to get him as close as he needs for a good shot, on average about 100 yards at the most. Sometimes they hit a field late in the afternoon and it helps to have a little more range but if you can't shoot out that far they'll wait untill morning and go back to that area, or try to get closer. I feel much more confident about this outfitter than the previous one. This one is less expencive too.

My buddy wants to take his 12ga. out there as a backup gun. It has a rifled barrel and he shoots sabot slugs, and has a 4x fixed power scope. Do you think this will be a good backup gun? He has started looking for the 160 grain 270 bullets. What do you all think? Better guide, same gun different bullets, maybe a good backup gun. Do you think he should still buy a bigger gun, he wants to go elk hunting many more times than just this once, like a yearly thing. Once he goes with some guides a few times he wants to go with just a few friends and go without an outfitter on public land.

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Do you think he should still buy a bigger gun, he wants to go elk hunting many more times than just this once, like a yearly thing. Once he goes with some guides a few times he wants to go with just a few friends and go without an outfitter on public land.

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I don't think there is one right answer. Some have a 270 as their primary elk gun. In my opinion it will cleanly kill an elk but the range is too limited. Realistically for the average Joe 250 yds is the limit. Where I live there a lot of open areas and you need a rifle that can take an elk at longer ranges. So in my opinion if its in the budget and hes hunting every year, a new rifle would be the way to go if hes going to pick up the habit.

Really good news on the outfitter. Thats sounds a lot better.

RE: is the 270 a elk whacker?
 

Jus' one more thort. It ain't about usin' a 270 or a magnum neither. I'd be the last person to tell a greenhorn to use a mag. Don't use one myownself. There's lots of good cartridges atwixt there. My favorite elk cartridges are the 338'06, the 35 Whelen, the 8mm'06, and the 30'06, in that order. Anybody can shoot these with a lil' practice, an' they'll kill elk fine thout no special hold or worries.

BJ