Cartridge Choice
01-09-2007, 06:20 PM
#23
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 518
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: BareBack Jack
I have had 2 300 WSM and they realy don't offer much more over the .300 Win Mag(performance wise).If you opt for a 30 cal then look at the .300 RUM,30-378 WBY or the 7.82 Warbird.
If you wan't a true Big Bore (.375 and up) the .375 RUM,.375 Ruger or the .378 WBY.
If you are looking for mid bores the .338 Win mag..338 RUM,.340 WBY or the .338-378 WBY.
Anything else in will probaly be custom built and made,like the .338 Kahn or the .300 Allen Magnum.
BBJ
I have had 2 300 WSM and they realy don't offer much more over the .300 Win Mag(performance wise).If you opt for a 30 cal then look at the .300 RUM,30-378 WBY or the 7.82 Warbird.
If you wan't a true Big Bore (.375 and up) the .375 RUM,.375 Ruger or the .378 WBY.
If you are looking for mid bores the .338 Win mag..338 RUM,.340 WBY or the .338-378 WBY.
Anything else in will probaly be custom built and made,like the .338 Kahn or the .300 Allen Magnum.
BBJ
01-09-2007, 06:23 PM
#25
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 518
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: bigbulls
OR...... He could just sight in his30-06 properly and use a maximum point blank range of +- 4 inches.
A180 grain Hornady interbond starting out at 2700 fps will be just over 3" high at 100 yards, 3.7" high at 150 yards, 2.7" high at 200 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 4.5" low at 300 yards, and finally 19" low at 400 yards and still have 1600 foot pounds of energy.
I am not trying to sound like an arse whenI say this but in reading the original question it doesn't sound like ShoNUFF has a heck of a lot of experience with long range shooting and center fire cartridges in general (big bore comment) and is simply looking at factory ballistics tables concerning the 30-06.
I say learn how to shoot the 30-06 first before stepping up to a true long range cartridge.
Maybe I am wrong.
OR...... He could just sight in his30-06 properly and use a maximum point blank range of +- 4 inches.
A180 grain Hornady interbond starting out at 2700 fps will be just over 3" high at 100 yards, 3.7" high at 150 yards, 2.7" high at 200 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 4.5" low at 300 yards, and finally 19" low at 400 yards and still have 1600 foot pounds of energy.
I am not trying to sound like an arse whenI say this but in reading the original question it doesn't sound like ShoNUFF has a heck of a lot of experience with long range shooting and center fire cartridges in general (big bore comment) and is simply looking at factory ballistics tables concerning the 30-06.
I say learn how to shoot the 30-06 first before stepping up to a true long range cartridge.
Maybe I am wrong.
01-09-2007, 06:24 PM
#26
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 518
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: Predator26
Who ever told you that is an idiot. 7MM shoots the farthest, followed by the 30-06.
ORIGINAL: SHoNUFF
I want a Big bore that has LOW bullet drop. 30-06 has bad bullet drop past 200yards. I want a gun to do 400yards and capable of takin out big game, Elk, Moose, Caribou, and Bear/Mountain Goat. Any Suggestions
I want a Big bore that has LOW bullet drop. 30-06 has bad bullet drop past 200yards. I want a gun to do 400yards and capable of takin out big game, Elk, Moose, Caribou, and Bear/Mountain Goat. Any Suggestions
01-09-2007, 08:21 PM
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Garfield NJ USA
Posts: 3,067
RE: Cartridge Choice
I'd really like to know how a 300 WSM outperforms the 300 Winmag? The only advatages are a shorter action which makes a lighter gun and uses less powder. Now from my personal experience loading for both cartridges, up to 180 gr bullets ballistically they are IDENTICAL, above that the belted magnum will put the WSM to shame. I'd have to agree with BB on this one learn how to shoot what you have before moving up to the big bangers with much more recoil. The 06 will take game at ranges farther than we have any business shooting.
01-09-2007, 08:33 PM
#28
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Matador, Texas
Posts: 284
RE: Cartridge Choice
There is no comparison, the .300 Win Mag owns the WSM, especially if you are a handloader, the WSM's are just a bunch of hype, the handloader has a hard time duplicating factory performance, from the .300 WSM, go with the .300 Win Mag,.
01-10-2007, 01:41 AM
#29
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Interior AK
Posts: 85
RE: Cartridge Choice
I have had no trouble exceeding factory performance with the WSM. Granted, the 300 Win with the right handloadscan sometimesget a small step ahead of the WSM, but with a heck of a lot more powder. For instance for me to get 3050 FPS from the WSM with a 180 gr bullet I use 65.5 gr of H4350.To get the same performance from a 300 Win I have to load 71.5 gr of the same powder. That's almost 10% powder savings per case, which in turn gives me 11 rounds of WSM for every10 completed Win mag loads, which turns into 110 rounds of WSM for every 100 rounds of 300 Win.
When you say the 300 Win. owns the WSM you are wrong. The WSMwill doalmost everything the Win mag does with less powder, a short action, lighter weight, lower recoiling rifle. The limiting factor for the WSM is the ability to load heavier weight 30 cal bullets (200 gr and above) because the longer bullets need to be seated further into the case causing a decrease in powder capacity.
I really have nothing against the Win mags. They are a revolutionary cartridge, and will never obsolete, but to discredit the WSM by calling it "hype" is truly mis-stating it's true capabilities.
When you say the 300 Win. owns the WSM you are wrong. The WSMwill doalmost everything the Win mag does with less powder, a short action, lighter weight, lower recoiling rifle. The limiting factor for the WSM is the ability to load heavier weight 30 cal bullets (200 gr and above) because the longer bullets need to be seated further into the case causing a decrease in powder capacity.
I really have nothing against the Win mags. They are a revolutionary cartridge, and will never obsolete, but to discredit the WSM by calling it "hype" is truly mis-stating it's true capabilities.
01-10-2007, 02:09 AM
#30
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Matador, Texas
Posts: 284
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: Justice4all
I have had no trouble exceeding factory performance with the WSM. Granted, the 300 Win with the right handloadscan sometimesget a small step ahead of the WSM, but with a heck of a lot more powder. For instance for me to get 3050 FPS from the WSM with a 180 gr bullet I use 65.5 gr of H4350.To get the same performance from a 300 Win I have to load 71.5 gr of the same powder. That's almost 10% powder savings per case, which in turn gives me 11 rounds of WSM for every10 completed Win mag loads, which turns into 110 rounds of WSM for every 100 rounds of 300 Win.
When you say the 300 Win. owns the WSM you are wrong. The WSMwill doalmost everything the Win mag does with less powder, a short action, lighter weight, lower recoiling rifle. The limiting factor for the WSM is the ability to load heavier weight 30 cal bullets (200 gr and above) because the longer bullets need to be seated further into the case causing a decrease in powder capacity.
I really have nothing against the Win mags. They are a revolutionary cartridge, and will never obsolete, but to discredit the WSM by calling it "hype" is truly mis-stating it's true capabilities.
I have had no trouble exceeding factory performance with the WSM. Granted, the 300 Win with the right handloadscan sometimesget a small step ahead of the WSM, but with a heck of a lot more powder. For instance for me to get 3050 FPS from the WSM with a 180 gr bullet I use 65.5 gr of H4350.To get the same performance from a 300 Win I have to load 71.5 gr of the same powder. That's almost 10% powder savings per case, which in turn gives me 11 rounds of WSM for every10 completed Win mag loads, which turns into 110 rounds of WSM for every 100 rounds of 300 Win.
When you say the 300 Win. owns the WSM you are wrong. The WSMwill doalmost everything the Win mag does with less powder, a short action, lighter weight, lower recoiling rifle. The limiting factor for the WSM is the ability to load heavier weight 30 cal bullets (200 gr and above) because the longer bullets need to be seated further into the case causing a decrease in powder capacity.
I really have nothing against the Win mags. They are a revolutionary cartridge, and will never obsolete, but to discredit the WSM by calling it "hype" is truly mis-stating it's true capabilities.
