Cartridge Choice
01-09-2007, 01:00 AM
#11
Join Date: Jan 2007
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RE: Cartridge Choice
forget the weatherby mags, they are expensive to shoot, reloading aint much better, they burn barrels like crazy, and generally, don't offer anything over other magnums, in fact, weatherby, IMHO, tries too hard to outdo everyone, when, in all honesty, they just put out overpriced rifles and cartridges. Get a .300 or .338 Win Mag, they don't cost a ton to shoot, and their barrels will last forever.
01-09-2007, 02:22 AM
#12
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RE: Cartridge Choice
He considers the 30-06's drop at 200 bad...and wants something to shoot out to 400. Given those requirements what's NOT going to burn barrels? I agree with your 300 WM suggestion, but to rule out the weatherbys....this is precisely the kind of stuff they are made for!!!!!!!!!! I'd throw the 7RUM in there too.
Will they burn barrels? Yep
Will the cost alot to shoot? Yep
Will some of them kick like a rabid mule on PCP? Yep
Do they fit the requirements of original post? Yep
Here's the thing, at 400yards the WIN mag is only 5" flatter than the good ole 30-06. The standard by which he is saying is "real bad" and they are both already sitting around 20" of compensation at that range so we're only talking about 1/4 improvement!!!!! The 7RUM is closer to 8" as well as the 300 RUM and 300 Weatherby. This is with a 230 yard zero which is just about optimal for 6" target and all the 30 cal throwing 180 grain bullets. That 30-378 is another 200 fps ahead of the game so it may be just the expensive-to-shoot barrel-burning gun he wants.
To answer the original quesion: Take your pick of the suggested cartridges and realize you cant have your cake and eat it too. My personal suggestion would be to take the your money, buy a laser rangefinder a ton of ammo for that 30-06 and put a lot of time in the at the range...but that's just me.
Peace out, it's entirely toooooooo late.
Will they burn barrels? Yep
Will the cost alot to shoot? Yep
Will some of them kick like a rabid mule on PCP? Yep
Do they fit the requirements of original post? Yep
Here's the thing, at 400yards the WIN mag is only 5" flatter than the good ole 30-06. The standard by which he is saying is "real bad" and they are both already sitting around 20" of compensation at that range so we're only talking about 1/4 improvement!!!!! The 7RUM is closer to 8" as well as the 300 RUM and 300 Weatherby. This is with a 230 yard zero which is just about optimal for 6" target and all the 30 cal throwing 180 grain bullets. That 30-378 is another 200 fps ahead of the game so it may be just the expensive-to-shoot barrel-burning gun he wants.
To answer the original quesion: Take your pick of the suggested cartridges and realize you cant have your cake and eat it too. My personal suggestion would be to take the your money, buy a laser rangefinder a ton of ammo for that 30-06 and put a lot of time in the at the range...but that's just me.
Peace out, it's entirely toooooooo late.
01-09-2007, 03:01 AM
#13
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 518
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: Soilarch
He considers the 30-06's drop at 200 bad...and wants something to shoot out to 400. Given those requirements what's NOT going to burn barrels? I agree with your 300 WM suggestion, but to rule out the weatherbys....this is precisely the kind of stuff they are made for!!!!!!!!!! I'd throw the 7RUM in there too.
Will they burn barrels? Yep
Will the cost alot to shoot? Yep
Will some of them kick like a rabid mule on PCP? Yep
Do they fit the requirements of original post? Yep
Here's the thing, at 400yards the WIN mag is only 5" flatter than the good ole 30-06. The standard by which he is saying is "real bad" and they are both already sitting around 20" of compensation at that range so we're only talking about 1/4 improvement!!!!! The 7RUM is closer to 8" as well as the 300 RUM and 300 Weatherby. This is with a 230 yard zero which is just about optimal for 6" target and all the 30 cal throwing 180 grain bullets. That 30-378 is another 200 fps ahead of the game so it may be just the expensive-to-shoot barrel-burning gun he wants.
To answer the original quesion: Take your pick of the suggested cartridges and realize you cant have your cake and eat it too. My personal suggestion would be to take the your money, buy a laser rangefinder a ton of ammo for that 30-06 and put a lot of time in the at the range...but that's just me.
Peace out, it's entirely toooooooo late.
He considers the 30-06's drop at 200 bad...and wants something to shoot out to 400. Given those requirements what's NOT going to burn barrels? I agree with your 300 WM suggestion, but to rule out the weatherbys....this is precisely the kind of stuff they are made for!!!!!!!!!! I'd throw the 7RUM in there too.
Will they burn barrels? Yep
Will the cost alot to shoot? Yep
Will some of them kick like a rabid mule on PCP? Yep
Do they fit the requirements of original post? Yep
Here's the thing, at 400yards the WIN mag is only 5" flatter than the good ole 30-06. The standard by which he is saying is "real bad" and they are both already sitting around 20" of compensation at that range so we're only talking about 1/4 improvement!!!!! The 7RUM is closer to 8" as well as the 300 RUM and 300 Weatherby. This is with a 230 yard zero which is just about optimal for 6" target and all the 30 cal throwing 180 grain bullets. That 30-378 is another 200 fps ahead of the game so it may be just the expensive-to-shoot barrel-burning gun he wants.
To answer the original quesion: Take your pick of the suggested cartridges and realize you cant have your cake and eat it too. My personal suggestion would be to take the your money, buy a laser rangefinder a ton of ammo for that 30-06 and put a lot of time in the at the range...but that's just me.
Peace out, it's entirely toooooooo late.
My nextrifle for my collection will be a .300 WSM, probably in a Weatherby Vanguard Stainless Synthetic topped off with a Nikon Monarch.
Peace out yo's.
01-09-2007, 08:42 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Moccasin, Montana
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RE: Cartridge Choice
I have had 2 300 WSM and they realy don't offer much more over the .300 Win Mag(performance wise).If you opt for a 30 cal then look at the .300 RUM,30-378 WBY or the 7.82 Warbird.
If you wan't a true Big Bore (.375 and up) the .375 RUM,.375 Ruger or the .378 WBY.
If you are looking for mid bores the .338 Win mag..338 RUM,.340 WBY or the .338-378 WBY.
Anything else in will probaly be custom built and made,like the .338 Kahn or the .300 Allen Magnum.
BBJ
If you wan't a true Big Bore (.375 and up) the .375 RUM,.375 Ruger or the .378 WBY.
If you are looking for mid bores the .338 Win mag..338 RUM,.340 WBY or the .338-378 WBY.
Anything else in will probaly be custom built and made,like the .338 Kahn or the .300 Allen Magnum.
BBJ
01-09-2007, 10:49 AM
#15
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: North Texas
Posts: 234
RE: Cartridge Choice
The 338-378 is an excellent choice. I just happen to have one, so I'm kinda partial, but I bought it for the same reason you are talking about, 400yd + shots without 30" of drop and tons of energy when it gets there. Very versatile as well, especially if you reload, you can shoot 165 grains for deer up to 250 grains for dangerous game. I don't think it kicks any harder than my 300 WSM. They are quite heavy though, due to the 28" barrel. Fun shooting though.
01-09-2007, 11:55 AM
#16
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,429
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: Texas Hog Hunter
I don't think it kicks any harder than my 300 WSM. .... Fun shooting though.
I don't think it kicks any harder than my 300 WSM. .... Fun shooting though.
If you're a Sado-masichist maybe. Those things produce unbelievable amounts of recoil. At least the one I shot did.
My suggestion would be a 300 RUM. Its a kicker as well but not on par with the 338-378 weatherby.
01-09-2007, 01:17 PM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 6,921
RE: Cartridge Choice
I am not sure he is really looking for a "big bore" by his description of usage. I think he is lookingat taking upto moose sized game but just flatter then the 3006. My suggestion would be a 300RUM or 7mm STW, if you reload. If not then a 300 wm/wsm or 7mm rem mag.
Good luck
Good luck
01-09-2007, 01:41 PM
#19
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
RE: Cartridge Choice
OR...... He could just sight in his30-06 properly and use a maximum point blank range of +- 4 inches.
A180 grain Hornady interbond starting out at 2700 fps will be just over 3" high at 100 yards, 3.7" high at 150 yards, 2.7" high at 200 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 4.5" low at 300 yards, and finally 19" low at 400 yards and still have 1600 foot pounds of energy.
I am not trying to sound like an arse whenI say this but in reading the original question it doesn't sound like ShoNUFF has a heck of a lot of experience with long range shooting and center fire cartridges in general (big bore comment) and is simply looking at factory ballistics tables concerning the 30-06.
I say learn how to shoot the 30-06 first before stepping up to a true long range cartridge.
Maybe I am wrong.
A180 grain Hornady interbond starting out at 2700 fps will be just over 3" high at 100 yards, 3.7" high at 150 yards, 2.7" high at 200 yards, 0 at 250 yards, 4.5" low at 300 yards, and finally 19" low at 400 yards and still have 1600 foot pounds of energy.
I am not trying to sound like an arse whenI say this but in reading the original question it doesn't sound like ShoNUFF has a heck of a lot of experience with long range shooting and center fire cartridges in general (big bore comment) and is simply looking at factory ballistics tables concerning the 30-06.
I say learn how to shoot the 30-06 first before stepping up to a true long range cartridge.
Maybe I am wrong.
01-09-2007, 01:50 PM
#20
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Hampshire, USA
Posts: 257
RE: Cartridge Choice
ORIGINAL: SHoNUFF
I want a Big bore that has LOW bullet drop. 30-06 has bad bullet drop past 200yards. I want a gun to do 400yards and capable of takin out big game, Elk, Moose, Caribou, and Bear/Mountain Goat. Any Suggestions
I want a Big bore that has LOW bullet drop. 30-06 has bad bullet drop past 200yards. I want a gun to do 400yards and capable of takin out big game, Elk, Moose, Caribou, and Bear/Mountain Goat. Any Suggestions