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Just a question, how many would be in favor of only being able to hunt your home state? It wouldn't bother me if Montana yanked all the non-res tags! I'd probably have to start paying sales tax, and higher property tax, but it would clean out the Breaks!!:D:DBefore you rip my head off, its just a question.

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Well, I'd be against it. It brings in too many needed funds for wildlife projects. Not to mention that I (living in the eastern part of the U.S.A.) could not hunt the 1 animal that I love to hunt more than any other, Elk. There is no elk hunting in my state.

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i wouldn't agree with it. i live in florida but i do pretty much all of my hunting other than turkey and hog hunting in ky. i want to hunt other things than whitetails, hogs, and turkey. so therefore i would have to go to another state which has animals such as elk, moose, bear, pronghorn, caribou, and muleys.

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It would really piss me off if I was forced to hunt only Utah. I'm "forced" to live here because of my wife, yet I hunt Wyoming, Idaho and Utah (in that order of preference). I grew up in Wyoming and I'm willing to pay the non-res fees to go back to hunt the land I know and grew up on. If they took that away from me, well, let's hope I never have to even worry about that! [:@]

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I live in Montana so it would not bother me either.:)

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id hate that.

i love to travel to hunt. i live in wyoming, so i guess if that came to pass i wouldnt be too screwed, but i like my traveling way too much

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I live in Wyoming as well, so no loss for me and less non resident hunters would decrease pressure, however.... the non resident hunters pay the lion's share of our game and fish budget, and I'd like the opportunity--if I wanted--to hunt another state as well.

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I wouldn't care for it! I live in New York and while there are long seasons and a number of game animals to hunt.The quality of hunting is not what it is in many other states.I hunt in Idaho every year (unguided) and would not want to have that taken away from me!
I do believe though that a resident should not have to draw for a tag in there own state if non residents are also allowed to hunt that same game animal.I know there are management considerations there though.What I mean is that I don't believe a non resident should get a tag if residents are being excluded from getting that same tag.
Those of you that live in exceptional hunting states are incredibly fortunate!Yes I know any of us can pick up and move but that is much easier said then done,because of family considerations and business considerations.

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As a outfitter most of our clients are non-residents. But as a resident I would say okay but would have to give up outfitting. But the biggest problem there is places where even the residents can draw tags in there own states. I live in colorado while we may be not the best bull elk state they say phoooeeey on that, but anyway we have to keep this state open to non resident hunters so they also have a place to hunt elk. But I do believe this before a non resident gets a tag a resident should have first go. You can take all them trophy draw units and make it non resident elk hunting period wouldn't bother me. But for a person that lives in a state should get to go hunt it before someone thousands of miles away. But in all fairness we could keep it 50/50 draw and let the winners hunt. In the end with america's population growth the animals are going to lose and lose bad. And only the rich will hunt legal. I'm sad.

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I just started hunting other states a couple of years back. There is some good hunting here in MA, but not like many other areas. Being located in Berkshire County, I am a 20 minute ride to the NY border and 1/2 hour to CT. I hunt in CT, NY, & MA. Last year I took a trip out to IL. I was not succesful in harvesting any giant bucks, but did take 2 does w/ the bow. After seeing that country and the deer density there, I am definately going to be taking more trips out that way!

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I think that it would be very short sighted and ignorant for western states to do that. They would lose a tremendous amount of tourism Dollars. There is no telling how many millions of dollars are spent on hunting. Not just the cost of tags, think of the meals bought, motel rooms, gas to fill the vehicles. I would quess that it would damn near bankrupt many states. You say that You "might have to pay sales tax" You have no idea. You would have to move to a different state to live.I think someone who complains about out of state hunters is not only selfish but pretty darn ignorant as well.

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DITTO!

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Well come back when you have a clue!!! We would be far from bankrupt. Your out of state hunting dollars DOES NOT soley support Montana economy. We have industry and tourism other than the couple of months hunting dollars. So think what you want, but our economy doesn't evolve around out of staters. If you think out of state dollars keeps me living in Montana, I'm not the ignorant one.Selfish, maybe, more like fed up!!

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Well let me put in my 2. I for one love hunting the west. I think all tags should be an equal draw for everyone alike. I still dont get how states can govern federal land anyway. Like the law in Wyoming about an out of stater needing a guide to hunt a wilderness area. I do like howsome of the"locals" hunt near the area I frequent. one guy drove the roads bugling from his truck every morning. One afternoon I was driving out and caught him taking a crap on the side of the road. silly guy couldnt even leave the road to crap! I live in MI and every local with a weapon wounds a deer in the fall. Its a joke most of the land is private and the deer herd is made up of 1 1/2 yr old bucks. The DNR did that. Not the out ofstaters.I like how the people out west treat me as a visitor to thier state and I love how they look after the game and the lands. So next time your out west pay attention to how you treat the land and the animals and next time you see a jackass in the woods dont blame it on the out of staters cuz it might be a guy from the next town. Next time you in MI look around and see what the used to be out of staters are doinghere. Cuz there locals now, they all moved here..........

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It could keep all the Californians out of Idaho!!!! Ha Ha!! I really think that the money that out of state hunters bring into your own home state is still worth it! As long as they stay out of my spot!:D

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I would not like it because I do like to take a western trip once a year, but the hunting in MI is all I really need. We have deer,bear,turkey, and even a possibility of an elk tag here as well as ducks,geese,upland birds,etc. I would miss most the change of scenery. It is just awe inspiring to go from the deep, heavily forested woods here to the wide open expansive plains and the mountains of the west. Even montana with it's many big game animals does not have them all. What if you wanted to one day hunt caribou or musk ox or different subspecies of sheep and turkeys? I would hate to have my options taken away and be at the mercy of one state dnr.

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There was just an article in this months American Hunter magazine about the difference in revenues that are generated by resident versus non resident hunters for a few states out west.I believe that the non resident license sales in Montana generated about three times the revenue as the resident license sales for their game department,with about one tenth the drain on the states natural resources.Politically it is much easier for the states to increase the tag prices for the non residents versus the residents,there is no voter back lash.So from a game department point of view it is not likely that those practices will stop any time soon.
I can't speak for Montana,I have never hunted there (non resident tags are to expensive,unless you draw)but for the little town in Idaho that I huntfrom,if not for hunting and snowmobiling many of the locals would not survive there.

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You told me to get a clue. So I did, this is from the "Montana Department of Tourism: http://travelmontana.mt.gov/Strategic%20Plan%20Final/Final_pdf/Chap%202_Existing%20Conditions%20FINAL.pdf

A. Statewide Socio-Economic Trends

Montana is the fourth largest state in the U.S., encompassing 145,552 square miles, and is

home to only 902,000 citizens, or 6.2 people per square mile (2000 Census). Yet Montanans

hosted nearly 9.5 million nonresident visitors in 2001. Those nonresidents spent $1.7 billion in

Montana, helping to make tourism and recreation the state’s second largest industry.

So you say that all tourism:

B.1 Nonresident Visitation Grew 46% from 1990-2000; Seasonality is a Challenge

For the purposes of this document, the terms “visitor” and “tourist” are interchangeable,

and refer to both residents and nonresidents who travel for leisure or business purposes, taking

money they earned in one place, and spending it elsewhere. The number of nonresidents

visiting Montana rose 46% from 1990 to 2000 (Figure 2.4), compared to 85% growth in lodging

sales (Figure 2.5). However, the number of summer visitors declined from 1996 to 2001.

Economic Impact of Hunting & Fishing

(Source: Montana FWP)

Sportsmen in Montana spent substantial dollars in 2000 on transportation, food,

lodging, guide fees and other items (Table 2.2). The average non-guided, nonresident hunter

has an economic impact of $1,600 per trip to Montana, while a guided hunter has a $3,800

impact (total of $200 million in 2000).

So You want to Foot the bill:

Nonresidents support a significant share of Montana’s fish and game management

efforts: two-thirds of all fiscal year 2000 hunting/fishing license revenue to FWP came from

nonresidents. Additionally, 43% of the entire FWP Department’s total 2001 revenue came from

nonresident hunting/fishing license sales. So, if the number of nonresident sportsmen declines,

the FWP budget will decline, or resident sportsmen will have to make up the loss in revenue.

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Good posting, Shato!

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yeah that's a big10-4

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I started this as a joke, but, do the math, 1.7 billion minus 200 million doesn't figure your theroy that non-res tags support our state! i never said Tourism wasn't benificial to the state, but they don't come in here like they own the place. And if the FWP didn't have to cater to the non-res, it wouldn't need such a large budget. I'm done here, you see it your way, I see it mine. Remember, I LIVE HERE, you don't.

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Well good for you! I go by the lawsof your state not your feelings or opinions.
Appeal to your State not us and see how far you get?

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Well I'm gonna jump in here,but first off I have nothing against out-of state hunter(well some,and some yocall locals too.).

If Montana would close it's borders tohunters to out of State hunting,well YEAH!!! more for me to hunt right?
BUT!!!!!! lets look at the long run Mr. Trapper Dave.
Befor long everyone that want's to hunt out a state will be moving here,land prices go up even more,food,housing,taxes and on and on now we have a cost of living increases(not good,coming from a guy who only makes 35k a year and has 4 kids to raise)not counting the depletion of the game animals since the increase of pepole.You will be lucky to draw a antelope tag for the 700 reigon once that happens.
BUT!!!! one good thing might come about the ecomomy might get a good boost when all the BIG corporations see that all their workers are leaving the big city for the western-mid west states and create more jobs(At leastI will get more out of my 40K college degree).

I will settle for sharing what we have and be happy,you thinks it's crowded now wait 10 yrs,boy oh boy now we are talking some numbers on the Breaks.
Sorry but it's the truth,and this is coming from a NATIVE Montanan(moms grandparents settled one of the first ranches in Montana in the 1800's)
Let's all argue about something elese,hunting seson is almost here let's down grade the 270 some more and lets talk about what is your favorite man made elk call!!!!
BareBack Jack OVER and out 10-4 good buddies.

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10-4 Partner!

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Sorry that should be Great-Great Grandparents,I always new my mom butnot that old.:D:D:D
BBJ

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Good posting, Shato!

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Another big 10-4 - Field and Stream had an awesome article earlier in the year talking about how non-residents fund alot of the programs in the western states. Without them these programs wouldn't exist. Take Wyoming for example. I think residents make up $1 million of revenue and non-res $13 million (just hunting and fishing fees/licenses, etc.) All of that money goes right back into the G&F budget. Without that much revenue, programs like Access Yes, landowner free walk through programs, wildlife habitat programs,hunter awareness,cheap hunter education of our kidsand many more wouldn't exist.

The bottomline is just because you live across the stateline from another state doesn't make you a jerk, bad hunter or "in the way". Bad hunters, unethical, lazy and jerks shouldn't be labeled by their residency of a certain state, but by their actions! Plus, non-res fees allow programs to exist that benefit us all.

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I to live in the SE, and to some day hope to go out west to hunt. It doesn't bother me when out of state hunters come to the state in which I reside. Last I checked they call this place United States we should all be able to reap the benefits of hunting any where we like.

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Thats just it,,the states are managing the animals not the land,,Forest Service and BLM manage the land. I can go hiking and camping ON the land all I want for free or next to free. Those activities have nothing to do with harvesting game.

I've said it before if I go camping or hiking i use a resource but when I leave the resource is still there for the residents to enjoy. When I kill a game animal I have removed the possibility for the resident to enjoy that resource, so I have to pay the price of my tresspass so to speak.

I just hope that they dont cut me off before I can go and hear an elk bugle in the woods just once.

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I'd hate to see states start to exclude non-residents because it wouldn't be just "hunting". It would be fishing to. What if your kid wants to go to college in my state, nope .. residents only. The very thinking goes against everything America stands for. I think they have it right, they do prioritize locals, but leave options for out of staters.

What if they maintained highways only with the tax money generated in those states... ugh, you'd never get through a good western hunting state!

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Selfishness-shame

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Id definitely be against it, theres no big game in Hawaii.