Need some help from archery elk hunters.
 

Iwantto switch over to a heavy arrow for elk hunting.
This is my set up: Darton Typhoon- Hard Cam bow,29.5-inch draw, peakdraw weight 72-pounds.
I would like mytotal arrow/broadhead weight around 550-grains. 600-grains would even be better.:) My arrows will be cut to 28-inches.

Thanks forthehelp,

Wolf Killer

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why would u want that? if u are looking for K.E. why don't u just use a baseball?

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Wolf,
I don't quite undersatnd the question.

Are you looking for equipment to make arrows that heavy or do you already have 550 gr arrows that you are using?

I would go with the heaviest aluminum arrows you can find,and 150 gr broadheads ,fleacth them with quick spins cause that adds more weight than standard fleches and that should get you close.

You should be doing great with the 550's though you should have enough penetration to go through heavy bone,plenty of KE's for elk.
BBJ

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BBJ,
I am looking for a arrow broadhead combonation that will bring me up to 550-grains or more. I have not talked to my local pro shop because he is on a light arrow kick. He thinks all bows owners should shoot over draws with light arrows. He told me this himself.:eek:

I need to buy new arrows SOON the season is getting close. I have just over a month to shoot the heavy arrows & get used to them.

Elkcrazy8 & Elknut1, are to blame for thisaddiction.:D I just want every little advantage I can get for elk hunting. Heavy arrows & heavy broadheads will give me the addedKE I am looking for.

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Wolf, weren't you useing 2219's? If not I would try them out. Tip them with a 125 grain broadhead or more and that will give you close to a 600 grain arrow totoal weight!. Out of my fury my arrows weigh615 grainwith a 125 grain broadhead.

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idahoelkinstructor,
Idid shoot2219's with my old bow. I sold myold bow with all of the arrows included in the deal.
I have been shooting light carbonarrows with my new bow.
Ifor some reason do not like carbon arrows? I guess I am too hard headed.:)
I will be switching back to XX78's. Unless you, elknut1 or elkcrazy8 talk me into a heavy carbon arrow?:)
Thanks for the advise Jason, I value your opinion.

Wolf Killer

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I shoot an easton xx78 2413. I have a 9 inch wrap and 3 ,4 in duravanes. I am shooting a 125 grain razorcap broadhead that is cut on contact. My arrow weight is around the 520-530 mark at around 29 inches. You can get close to that with a 60/75 carbon express terminator select also. I just like the aluminums as I can get a radical offset with a thicker arrow. The arrow wrap adds a little extra weight and helps the adhesion immensly with the super glue that I use. I went with a white to orange wrap and two white fletches with an orange cock vane. I should be able to see it for the entire flight and will have an good idea of the hit that I have on the elk. I hope this helps.

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wolf, if u shoot a 580 grain arrow at 228 fps. (witch would be about right for your set-up) u will have 60 inches of drop! that is 5 foot![:-] good luck with that!

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Wolfkiller---I'm shooting carbons, they're called Cabelas Outfitter Series with buff tuff. They're 13.2 grains per inch. At 28" you would weigh 370grns. Now add aprox. 35 grains to that for insert, nock, & fletchings & you're at 405grns. Add a 125-150grn head and you're between 530-555grns. I'm at 545 with a 150grn Silver Flame COC head. Magnus stinger also has a 150 grn head as well as the razorcaps Chad mentioned! The arrows are 65.00 a doz at Cabelas!!

Don't worry about the drop at 50yds!! My setup is slower than most and I'm deadly as all get out to that distance. The arrow is there in a heartbeat!! Besides with the "Threat" in your arsenal you'll have those bulls on top of you!!! <grin>

Good Luck!!------------------ElkNut1

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Personally I am a carbon arrow guy. A bunch of reasons but toughness being the main one.

There are some good carbon arrows out there that will get you to at least 550 grains and depending on what you add to the arrow very close to 600 grains.

I really love the Carbon express Terminator select series of shafts. They are a super tough shaft that weigh in exscess of 10 grains per inch for the black shafts and the camo version weighs in at 12 grains per inch and I find these numbers to be on the conservative side.

With the camo terminators at 28 inches you got 336 grains add 30 for the nock and insert and you are up to 366 grains. Another 35 for 4 inch vanes and you got 401 grains. Add the broadhead of your choice and you are at least 525 grains and over 550 grains with a 150 - 170 grain head.

You could also go with 5 inch vanes for more weight or add an inch of shaft for another 12 grains. Add a vinyl cresting for another few grains (plus the added benefit of easy refletching). Use unibushings for an extra few grains plus the added benefit of better nock alignment. Heck you can even add the weight tubes inside the arrow for either 2 or 3 grains per inch increase in weight.

So all total you could end up with a carbon arrow that would potentially weigh in at a whopping 675+- grains if you wanted.

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manboy, I do not care how far the arrow drops. Speed only makes you miss quicker.:)
I want heavy (tree trunk) arrows in my quiver.:D Most of my shots will beunder 30-yards anyway.
I will lookat the Cabelas Outfitter Series arrow before I buy the XX-78's.
elknut1, I hope to put the "threat" to use this fall? I would love to kill a big bull. I will take a cow or raghorn if they come into range.:)

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Wolf Killer--Take plenty of pictures!!! I just came in from shooting those Cabelas arrows, man they fly like darts with those 150grn heads. At 45 yds you could cover all 5 arrows with a CD disc, and the bow is very quiet!!! I guaranttee you an elk won't jump out of the way of it!!!!

Bigbulls---That's an interesting thought you mention about flethings themselves were 30grns! I was told by an archery dealer years ago that all 3, meaning inserts, nock, & 3-fletches would weigh 35 grains as a rule of thumb. If you're right, i'd be closer to 560-565grns. How sure are you? Thanks / ElkNut1

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elknut, it depends on the vanes that your are using. The 4 inch duravanes will be around 7 or 8grains I beleive. The 4 inch quick spins are around 12.5 grains. This is per vane. Sounds like you are shooting pretty good there elknut. What kind of release do you use???lol. I shot my broadheads for a while last night until we started having a couple of hydraulic sandwiches for dinner. Those razorcaps sure fly nice. I am headed in to elk camp on sunday and I feel that I am more ready than ever.....

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Elkcrazy8--Thanks! I guess I am shooting closer to the 560 grn arrow, great!!!

That release you though was old and should be retired, (like me) works great. It's very smooth, a bit touchy, but I like that style!! --Thanks / ElkNut1

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Elknut, you can turn the screw at the base of the trigger to set the release so it is not so touchy. I did have it set a little light. I am glad that it is working out for you. I have never been able to wear out a Scott release and have never had a malfunction with one either. That says alot with the amount of shooting that I do.

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Yeah, a vane will weigh between 7 and 13 grains each depending on which ones you use then consider the glue weighs a little bit as well.

Typical inserts weigh about 13 grains each and add a couple grains for the glue here too.

Most people do not take into account the glue adding a bit of weight when guestemating finished arrow weight.

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not a pro but speed i think would be better than weight.

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I prefer weight to speed. Speed makesme miss quicker. Look at the K.E. gained if you use a heavy arrow. 99% of my shots will be under 30-yards. Knowing that my shots will be at close range.
IMHO Nothing could be better thana Heavy arrow/broadhead combo.

I shot heavy arrows with my old bow. I sold that bow with the arrows included. I bought a new bow withlight, slim & sexy arrows. The new light, slim & sexy arrows remind me of a high maintenance woman. They are a pain in the arse & they make too much noise.;)
I am going back towhat feels right.Easton 2219's XX-78's with 125-grain Muzzy heads.
The old 2219's are kind of like a low maintenance woman.They are not light, slimor sexy, & they don't make any extra noise.;)

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You should easily get up there in weight going with a heavier alum arrow, 2315, 2413 etc with a 125+ gr BH.

KE is not a very good indicator of penetration on big things, momentum is. Momentum is basically resistance to change. Besides a bow has basically fixed KE, changing arrow weight does not change the KE all that much, it does change momentum though.

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I'm creeping toward favoring weight over speed as time goes on. I just switched to Easton ACCs, which bumped my arrow weight from 440 to 470 grain. And I gained 2 pounds of KE in the process. Seems like an efficiency thing for my bow or something, but I only lost 4 feet per second for the 30 grains of added weight.

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I know you probably won't like this and most likely will disregard it anyway, but here goes. I think 400 gr arrow is plenty.I digress though. Gold tip arrows are absolutely the best bar none. they have a straightness quarantee of +/- .001". Carbons are the only way to go in my opinion. If you buy Gold Tip Pro Hunter 7595 you will have one hell of a tough, straight, and accurate arrow. they weight approx. 10 grains per inches. cut then at 30 inches = 300 gr. add approx. 45-50 gr for fletching and insert, add 125 grain broadhead. grand total of 475 gr. bump it up to 150 gr broadhead if you want (can't imagine why) and you are 500. Heres the bad part Gold Tips are expensive. about $125 a dozen but they are worth it in my eyes.

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Shato, not to be the bearer of bad news but if you are paying $125 for Gold tip pro hunters you are paying way too much.

The black arrows with vanes should only run about $90 and the camo arrows with vanes should only be about $95 - $100.

You might want to shop around a little.;)

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Ok I am going to have to share my setup and why I like it.A carbon express cxl hunter at 28" and an Abowyer 135 grain head with adapter. Total arrow weight is 610. I like it becouse My bow is quiet and forgiving and my arrows penetrate. My father in law is the broadhead manufacturer. They are nearly indestructable I have seen them punch thru a bulls shoulder and still get to the fletch.I have had alot of opportunity to play with arrow and head setups and I am completely satified with mine. Go heavy and you wont get that sick feeling in your stomach when that cant miss shot ends up a little far forward and your arrow doesnt get to the boiler room. in stead you willl be looking at your animal going Holy **** did that penetrate. AndLarry (father in law) is shooting the cabelas 60-75 carbons they are alot smaller in dia than mine (good for penetration)and they performequally as good.


Elk nut do you have the video with the threat on it in stock? I think I would like to add it to my arsenal....

Shoot straight and often

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320Bull---Yes it's in stock! It's Vol-4 "Worse Than Wolves" It's worth checking out if you're tired of Herd Bulls giving you the slip!! It will raise your percentages immensely. There's no guranttees you'll kill him, but he'll give you the chance!! <grin> We've used this method deep into Oct. with the same results as the 20th of Sept.!! It's truly deadly!!---Good Luck!!------------------ElkNut1

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Yeah thats about what I paid but I haven't bought arrows in a few years so I was quessing at what they cost these days. Unless, I decide to shoot a rock pile or something I don't foresee needing to buy arrows for quite a while. Although, one tough 3-D shoot can trash my quiver in a hurry[8D]

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Ok my 2 cents for what it's worth! i think 600 grains is a bit over kill, say what you want but if you have more than 68 pounds of KE you can pretty much take down any animal in North America.. so why sacrafice speed if u dont have to?? Here in AZ
where the big bulls are plentiful, i know several guys who have smashed bulls with minimal KE.. and some that swear on mech-blades with close range shots due to the amount of KE they pump out.. For the record i will be hunting bulls this year in AZ, and my set up is currently 425 4000 vapors 100 magnus buzzcuts. some say it may be light but i amsmashing bullseyes out to 65yrds and my arrows fly as quiet as a blow dart.... and hit like a hammer....[8D]