So if you see pressure signs with the nosler manual max data, its still a poor choice? Alot has to do with your barrel. Poor choice for you in Fort McMurray, but maybe not for a guy in New Mexico.

I think reloading skill is something that grows thru experience. I know I learn alot off you guys and other pages. I mean if I was building up a load according to Sierra. Lets say the 308win with a 165 gr gameking and Varget. I would go up to 41.5 grmax. I may not be happy with the velocity. Maybe the accuracy. I would then go up another .5gr. I would carefully check out the case for all indicators. Check my chrony. Maybe consult the many other manuals for simular bullets, like the BT, or Partition, or SST. I see they go up to maybe 46gr. I feel better and find top notch accuracy with 45gr. Not an extractor mark on the shell. All indications say its good.

I just hope new reloader out there doesn't read peoples post and go out and buy the manual with the hottest load, and say its safe.