After reading most of this mess, I need to submit something to consider. Before I must let my form/forms of hunting be known. I hunt traditional, Mamba take down recurve. I hunt compound, compounds ranging from round wheel bears, to double cams hoyts, and cam in a halves. I also like rifle and pistol hunting.

With that said, I have seen this grip with anyone who is holier than thou, due to there rugged, manly persona. "I hunt X way, and you don't, you are not a real hunter". Now to say a traditionalist is much better than a compound shooter is crazy. I use both and both have there inherent problems. A compound is easier to hold and aim, but then again, if you practice right, a recurve and long bow are just as easy. Some thing else to consider when getting holy, if you think crossbows/compounds are harder, there for not as challenging making you a better hunter; Do me a favor and please do not ever come hunt around my place. Last thing I want is a bunch of wounded deer. I have heard many gripes about having traditional bows banned, due to their lack of speed,accuracy, and energy. So are we griping ethics, or bragging rights with this tread. If it is ethics, yes crossbows should only be used, less chance of messing up. If it is bragging rights,,, Well you need to find something better to do with your time then.