interesting.....my flight controls went through the target at 25yds and bounced off at 30...maybe it hit the wood pallet i staple to and at 25 went between the boards.....but i WATCHED it hit at 30 i was like what the heck was that thing...sure enough it was the wad....none of my other wads from other brands went half that distance that day.....but there was a cluster of shot on all my targets that was very dense and turkey killing....but it was low right every time......the rest of the pattern was just shot all over.....i bought a box of winchester supreme HV 1 3/4oz #5s to try....my gun likes 6s.....and i think is too tight for 4s so i think 5s may do nice...heard alot of good things about winchester HV #5 loads.......hope they work their magic for me....