Jeez, Beaverjack. Did'nt mean to get you so riled! I certainly didn't intend to insult anyone's experience, and sincerely apologize if I did. Just stating that I have not experienced these problems that some people seem to have with BT's. ..and for the record, my good man. Yes. I have killed 3 elk in those four years. (11 total in my life) 2 cows and a modest 5X6. The bull caught one of those BT's square in the brisket at 90 yards and dropped like a piano fell on 'im. I'm not going to criticize anyone's choice of gear. We should probably all spend more time becoming better shots rather than agonizing over what kind of lead we're chunkin'. And what's all this stuff about shooting to incapacitate, Beav? Kinda seems like an unnecessary step to me. Why not just kill 'em on the first go-round? At any rate, I don't think I've ever been dressed-down in such a colorful manner. I bet you're a hoot around the campfire at night.