MarkIIVT I do not deny that you made multiple good points and I do not condone deer hunting with illegal calibers or suggest it. I do not "practice" killing deer with illegal calibers, just performed one test.

About moving: Do not get me wrong, I do not like this state for many reasons but I am forced to live here at least part time for now. There wasn't a population problem in this state 15 years ago, but the wildlife management tenents obviously didn't do their job, so now there is a deer density that rivals almost anywhere in the country for #1 in over population. Bears are a different species with different population densities within the state and I do not condone shooting them on site like some may, it is not wise to bring a different species into this discussion to defend your liberal views. I do agree with you that there is a cutoff where a caliber is not suited for deer, what are you displeased with? The fact that I used a small caliber once to kill a deer?