This is a close up of my extreme. It did very well. I planted it late August and this is 4 weeks later. It was still green this past weekend but then most stuff is. The deer were in it pretty good in Oct. Once the gun shots started (we are in Zone T) the deer pretty much went nocturnal. This was the first time I planted it so I do not know how it will do next spring. Also I have pretty good soil but I wanted to try this because it was on a hill side.