Nope,,, not thinnin' the BowTech herd in this household I've got 7 grand kids to pass then on to and I'm surely not giving up my '03 Pat DC!!! I like the '03 Pat DC VERY much and feel that a used one would be well worth what ever it takes to buy one if you're looking Lots of energy and speed with forgivness to go with out of the '03 model!!! Check E-Bay soon for '03 and '04 models when the '05's hit the dealers