On your Persimmons having a tendency to "grove", I have noticed that my Persimmon tree's seeds do better when they germinate right under the parent tree. This is why you seem to have a grove of them. I have tried planting seeds, transplanting sprouts. all with very little success. Even when I get one thru the first year, they seam to die out the next spring. One of my three near the house is loaded, (Limbs touching the ground) and hopelully I may get a bunch of seeds to try again next year. But I better have success soon as my lifetime is running out. (Maybe for the grandchildren).

Russ