75 grn 3 blade and have taken a many a deer with them. BAD TO THE BONE is true as I have punched thru shoulder plates and 1 shot that was a little back and on the way out shattered the hip joint. The deer was standing a on slope feeding and turned slightly as I shot. He bolted and as he was running away his back legs kept falling out from underneath him. Oh.........yes I did recover that deer after I let him go until the next morning before setting out to track him. I found him 75 yrds from where I shot him.