Me and my brother have 11 pp. for elk and 10 pp. for deer in Colorado we plan on hunting unit 61 with out a guide. plan on going in 05 or 06 . We have hunted unit 62 and bagged elk with out a guide. This will be our first hunt in a trophy unit and our last for it will take 15 years or more to get enough points to go again. To many hunters building up points.